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kid hustlr Jul 27, 2007 12:48pm

kid's blog
 
After the success of my monthly blog I decided I'd make this a continuous occurence in the hope that i can look back at my play from the past in order to learn a thing or two.

This log is about improving my play, and discussing hands. I'm more than happy (in fact i encourage), people to post advice and opinions on some of the hands I post so that i can improve my play. I'll do my best to not post any bad beats or anything of that nature, I wont this to be a log where people benefit.

I have been playing online for almost 2 years now.

The situation:

At the moment I play on 4 different sites.

POKEROOM: This is where I started playing for money roughly 2 years ago now. I have been successful on there and it is the softest competition I play against. This is also where the majority of my bankroll is.

BANKROLL: 8339

On here I will be playing mainly 50 dollar tournaments as there is a spread of tourny's through the day around that range. I may splurge and play some slightly bigger tournaments here and there. I will also play the odd satellite to the weekly 300 buy in and the monthly 1k buy in. I may also play a little 100NL if I get the chance, this is mainly to avoid me going 'rusty' so to speak. I don't enjoy ring games as much as tournaments but if i see a juicy table I will sit down.

FULL TILT: This is the most recent site I have joined, probably only a couple of months ago now I think about it. I have been slightly succesful there, depositing around $1500 on there (I think) over the course of about a month.

BANKROLL: 2395

I'm looking at tournaments between 10 and 30 dollars on here. With such big fields, it can be a long time between wins so as a result I will genereally be on the more conservative side when buying in.

POKERSTARS: This is my 3rd website and currently my worst. After winning 2-3 180 man 20 dollar SNG's a while ago, I cashed most of my winnings out and just havent been able to win anything since.

BANKROLL: 531

I'll be playing mainly 20 dollar 180 man sng's. 500 is not enough to play these but I'm not gonna waste my time playing any lower. If i bust on stars, so be it. I just dont win there lol.

MANSION: This has been my most succesful website. After deciding to take advante of the websites 100k guarantee tournament I have been successful and won a large amount of money on here. Most of this I have taken out but I have allowed for some play in the future. The website has recently changed its structure and there are now 20,30 and 50 dollar rebuys 2-3 times a week and the bigger, 100 buy in tournaments are only held 2-3 times a week now. This is instead of running the the 100 buy in, 100k guarantee 7 times a week. Annoying as I have the roll to play the 100 buy in tournaments all the time on here. Oh well. Further, of all the winning froms this site, only half is mine as me and a friend go 50-50 in the buy in's (this was an agreement we made form the beginning).

BANKROLL: 1950

Remember this is only half the bankroll as my friend (brendo) 'owns' the other half. I will only ever report half the total mansion bankroll so that I know exactly where I, personally, am at.

TOTAL BANKROLL: 13215
This is the figure that matters. If this is growing I am happy. Whilst I would love to have an even amount of money across all websites, If I don't I'm not too worried.

One thing that should be remembered is that I dont plan on taking any money out of my accounts any time soon. I want to increase the stakes I play and taking money out doesn't allow that. Beside I have nothing to spend my money on anyway.

Another fact is that because I play mainly high variance mtt's (lots of people) i may go long periods of time without a big win. This is something I need to work on because I HATE logging a losing day, let alone 7 of them in a row.

Overall I would say I will playing most of my poker on full tilt and pokeroom, both under the handle of "c-biz-kid"

I'll proabably play 3-5 times a week depending on how busy I am.

That's all I can think of for now, I think I have introduced where I am at pretty well. Now it's time to try win some money. I'll start tomorrow morning after a good nights sleep.

Finally, feel free to say or write something in this log, that way I don't feel like I'm talking to myself all the time.

cobalt Jul 27, 2007 3:03pm

Awesome. I look forward to reading it.

eli924 Jul 28, 2007 4:16am

Sweet!

Loved your last blog. Believe or not, your experiences are very informative and educational for me, a poker player of only four months or so.



Eli

kid hustlr Jul 28, 2007 5:06am

Hideous day today. Standard mtt tournament day where I lost every important pot. I accumulated really well in a couple of tournaments only to be coolered later on.

I wont quote every bankroll on every site as it's to much effort. I'll just give a total figure. In summary of today though, every site I am down lol.

TOTAL BANKROLL:
12939

I'm still in a couple of tournaments on stars but I'll just assume I bust out of them lol.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3075715250: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (23493587), Table 2 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:34:43 ET - 2007/07/27
Seat 1: c-biz-kid (2,970)
Seat 2: stirfry56 (2,925)
Seat 3: dragonraja (1,830)
Seat 4: HAYDEN65 (4,020)
Seat 5: LMNOPWXYZ (3,285)
Seat 6: willstingyou (3,030)
Seat 7: FlaDreamin (2,970)
Seat 8: mbr1121 (3,000)
Seat 9: blues50 (2,970)
LMNOPWXYZ posts the small blind of 15
willstingyou posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to c-biz-kid [Qh Qs]
FlaDreamin folds
mbr1121 folds
blues50 calls 30
c-biz-kid raises to 125
stirfry56 folds
dragonraja folds
HAYDEN65 calls 125
LMNOPWXYZ folds
willstingyou folds
blues50 calls 95
*** FLOP *** [2c 7h Ts]
blues50 checks
c-biz-kid bets 250
HAYDEN65 folds
blues50 calls 250
*** TURN *** [2c 7h Ts] [Ac]
blues50 has 15 seconds left to act
blues50 bets 930
c-biz-kid has 15 seconds left to act
c-biz-kid raises to 2,595, and is all in
blues50 calls 1,665, and is all in
c-biz-kid shows [Qh Qs]
blues50 shows [7d Ad]
*** RIVER *** [2c 7h Ts Ac] [8d]
c-biz-kid shows a pair of Queens
blues50 shows two pair, Aces and Sevens
blues50 wins the pot (6,110) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
c-biz-kid stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,110 | Rake 0
Board: [2c 7h Ts Ac 8d]
Seat 1: c-biz-kid showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: stirfry56 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: dragonraja didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: HAYDEN65 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: LMNOPWXYZ (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: willstingyou (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: FlaDreamin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: mbr1121 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: blues50 showed [7d Ad] and won (6,110) with two pair, Aces and

This hand was an intersting one. I was shocked he led for a pot bet with two pair. I honestly thought he was bluffing. In hindsight, probably a bad move yet he could so easily be bluffing that ace. oh well.

JJS6866 Jul 28, 2007 5:31pm

When you post your total bankroll figure you should do a +/- from your original 13215....just a suggestion. After I finihsed reading I had to scroll back and all that extra mouse movement and the tedium of doing simple substraction was almost too much for me to handle.

BubbleBoy Jul 28, 2007 6:03pm

When you say you play on pokerroom, do you actually pokerroom.com or just their network?

overall seems like you are doing a good job playing :smile:

kid hustlr Jul 29, 2007 12:14am

It is pokerroom.com but that is apart of the ongame network isnt it? I play on the site which has the BIg Deal once a week and the Grand tournament once a month.

I will post a positive or negative sign next to my BR from now on. As of now, it's a negative sign lol

kid hustlr Jul 29, 2007 4:50am

Played great today. Really Really well. Couldn't get any luck late in a 90 man 20 dollar sng on tilt (lost to KJ vs AT's or something to that nature).

Lost a huge pot on stars when AA got cracked by 88 with 4 left in a 180 man sng. Profitable day but I deserved much more. Im hurting right now because I really deserved that stars tournament. I made one terrible call with A9 suited 4 way but other than that I was just over the moon with my play.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3086861518: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (23566045), Table 1 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:10:36 ET - 2007/07/28
Seat 1: c-biz-kid (7,240)
Seat 2: Demis John (21,275)
Seat 3: MileKitic11 (17,380)
Seat 5: briantran28 (12,625)
Seat 8: russboy78 (32,140)
Seat 9: Irish Craig (26,310)
c-biz-kid antes 100
Demis John antes 100
MileKitic11 antes 100
briantran28 antes 100
russboy78 antes 100
Irish Craig antes 100
Irish Craig posts the small blind of 400
c-biz-kid posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to c-biz-kid [Kc Qh]
Demis John folds
MileKitic11 raises to 2,400
briantran28 folds
russboy78 folds
Irish Craig folds
c-biz-kid calls 1,600
*** FLOP *** [5h 6s 3d]
c-biz-kid bets 4,740, and is all in
MileKitic11 folds
Uncalled bet of 4,740 returned to c-biz-kid
c-biz-kid mucks
c-biz-kid wins the pot (5,800)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,800 | Rake 0
Board: [5h 6s 3d]
Seat 1: c-biz-kid (big blind) collected (5,800), mucked
Seat 2: Demis John folded before the Flop
Seat 3: MileKitic11 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: briantran28 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: russboy78 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Irish Craig (small blind) folded before the Flop

This is a perfect example of how well I accumulated chips today without going to showdowns. Something I've been working on and I definately did it well today.

PokerStars Game #11190752464: Tournament #56752634, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2007/07/28 - 23:23:53 (ET)
Table '56752634 5' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 4: claaaams (61292 in chips)
Seat 5: Shasta_Joe (68682 in chips)
Seat 7: kid hustlr (90954 in chips)
Seat 8: 1daaniboY (49072 in chips)
claaaams: posts the ante 300
Shasta_Joe: posts the ante 300
kid hustlr: posts the ante 300
1daaniboY: posts the ante 300
1daaniboY: posts small blind 1500
claaaams: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid hustlr [Ah 9h]
Shasta_Joe: folds
kid hustlr: raises 5250 to 8250
1daaniboY: raises 40522 to 48772 and is all-in
claaaams: folds
kid hustlr: calls 40522
*** FLOP *** [6h 5s 6s]
*** TURN *** [6h 5s 6s] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [6h 5s 6s Js] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1daaniboY: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
kid hustlr: shows [Ah 9h] (a pair of Sixes)
1daaniboY collected 101744 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 101744 | Rake 0
Board [6h 5s 6s Js 8c]
Seat 4: claaaams (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Shasta_Joe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kid hustlr (button) showed [Ah 9h] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 8: 1daaniboY (small blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won (101744) with two pair, Queens and Sixes

This is one of the worst call's I will make but that guy had re-stolen off me so often it was sick. Was shocked when he showed QQ.

BANKROLL:
STARS: 704
TILIT: 2372
POKEROOM: 8123
MANSION: 1960

TOTAL: 13159 (-34)

Don't feel like typing right now. Way too annoyed.

kid hustlr Jul 30, 2007 9:11am

The plan:

Will play the night tournaments tonight (50 dollar on pokeroom, 33 on stars, 24 on tilt, as well as some others) and then get up tomorrow morning and do another poker session then, Will probably play between 15 and 20 tournaments in the next 24 hours so I will post an update after I'm done.

Also quick congrat's to brendo who took down the brazilian 50 dollar daily on pokeroom for just over 3700.

Hopefully I can do something simlar soon!

kid hustlr Jul 31, 2007 3:48am

A terrible 24 hours of poker. Nothing went my way. Nothing. I just felt my little edges oves the field weren't justified over the last couple of days. Players limp shoving 66 after I raise with AK. Plays that are -EV in the long run yet worked for them on this occasion. Oh well. It happens. My next big win could be right around the corner.

BANKROLL:

FULL TILT: 2296
STARS: 545
POKEROOM: 7766
MANSION: 1882

TOTAL: 12489 (-636)

Yuk, lots of tourny's no wins.

I'm ITM in a 24 dollar on full tilt as we speak but there is still along way to go.

Might take a break for a couple of days, I've played a lot of poker in the last 24 hours.

kid hustlr Jul 31, 2007 8:12am

Little Edgdes:

I spoke about little edges in my last post and I feel I should elaborate on that a little more. In most cases, these things don't matter but over time, ie. hundreds upon thousands or tournaments, this is where I feel I can beat the field and be succesful.

Below are 2 examples, which, although they didn't work out for me today, are plays which work in the long run and leave villian as an overall loser.

HAND 1:

PokerStars Game #11213975387: Tournament #56613817, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/30 - 06:52:30 (ET)
Table '56613817 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: The Tin&Amy (1410 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: kid hustlr (3465 in chips)
Seat 3: flin147 (3731 in chips)
Seat 4: Taita71 (1765 in chips)
Seat 5: boyxavier (2524 in chips)
Seat 6: Naps555 (4540 in chips)
Seat 7: jockibaer (2065 in chips)
Seat 8: Bygen (3345 in chips)
Seat 9: cashryders22 (1320 in chips)
The Tin&Amy: posts small blind 50
kid hustlr: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid hustlr [Kc Ac]
flin147: folds
Taita71: folds
boyxavier: raises 200 to 300
Naps555: folds
jockibaer: folds
Bygen: folds
cashryders22: folds
The Tin&Amy: folds
kid hustlr: raises 700 to 1000
boyxavier: raises 1400 to 2400
kid hustlr: raises 1065 to 3465 and is all-in
boyxavier: calls 124 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4d Js 2c]
*** TURN *** [4d Js 2c] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [4d Js 2c 9d] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kid hustlr: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
boyxavier: shows [Td Th] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
boyxavier collected 5098 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5098 | Rake 0
Board [4d Js 2c 9d Jc]
Seat 1: The Tin&Amy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: kid hustlr (big blind) showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: flin147 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Taita71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: boyxavier showed [Td Th] and won (5098) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 6: Naps555 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jockibaer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bygen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cashryders22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

In this case, early on in a tournament, I am NEVER re-raising with less than TT out of big blind. With stacks so shallow, I was actually hoping to take the pot down then and there but I think my raise makes it clear I'm not folding. Whilst I understand villian playing TT in that spot, other than PERHAPS AQ, the only other hands I'm re-raising here are JJ, QQ, KK and AA. Villian is lucky to be racing in this spot and, in the long run, I gain from him playing this hand as he did.

HAND 2:

PokerStars Game #11214018561: Tournament #56613817, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/30 - 06:58:55 (ET)
Table '56613817 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: The Tin&Amy (1260 in chips)
Seat 2: kid hustlr (891 in chips)
Seat 3: flin147 (3056 in chips)
Seat 4: Bisnaga (7247 in chips)
Seat 5: boyxavier (4998 in chips)
Seat 6: Naps555 (5440 in chips)
Seat 7: jockibaer (4205 in chips)
Seat 8: Bygen (2445 in chips)
Seat 9: cashryders22 (1870 in chips)
The Tin&Amy: posts small blind 50
kid hustlr: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid hustlr [4s 4c]
flin147: folds
Bisnaga: folds
boyxavier: raises 200 to 300
Naps555: folds
jockibaer: folds
Bygen: folds
cashryders22: folds
The Tin&Amy: folds
kid hustlr: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [8s 3h Th]
kid hustlr: bets 591 and is all-in
boyxavier: calls 591
*** TURN *** [8s 3h Th] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [8s 3h Th 3d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kid hustlr: shows [4s 4c] (two pair, Fours and Threes)
boyxavier: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Threes)
kid hustlr collected 1832 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1832 | Rake 0
Board [8s 3h Th 3d 7h]
Seat 1: The Tin&Amy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: kid hustlr (big blind) showed [4s 4c] and won (1832) with two pair, Fours and Threes
Seat 3: flin147 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Bisnaga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: boyxavier showed [Ac Kd] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: Naps555 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jockibaer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bygen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cashryders22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This hand is a little 'closer'. Same villian, in the same tournament, probably one round later from memory. I know villian to be active and with me being so short I dont think I can muck 44 here. In a spot like this I like a Stop and Go as villian is likely to have 2 overs. I was always shoving this flop, it just so happened that my opponent wasn't good enough to lay this down. Having said that, I think, if I was in his spot, I would. Calling 600 more chips here with a naked AK is not a great play imo and something which, in the end, my opponent will lose out on. Granted in this case my cards actually held but I can remember countless times in the past where I have used this play to 'avoid' a race so to speak. Little edges like these are what poker is all about and being able to identify them is really important.

I'm not sure if I explained hand 2 in the best way possible but I think what i'm getting at is a mixture between 'avoiding confrontations' (showdowns) and making mathematically correct folds.

This final hand is one from the 24+2 on tilt which I played this morning:

Full Tilt Poker Game #3108396833: $24,000 Guarantee (23202908), Table 124 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:57:32 ET - 2007/07/30
Seat 1: c-biz-kid (45,895)
Seat 2: CAISSES (113,272)
Seat 3: miniou (34,028)
Seat 4: superAAman (17,294)
Seat 5: wildman74 (61,737)
Seat 6: jmb6644 (96,487)
Seat 7: JonnyRyba (69,036)
Seat 8: steviewu (124,675)
Seat 9: fredgrh (87,906)
c-biz-kid antes 500
CAISSES antes 500
miniou antes 500
superAAman antes 500
wildman74 antes 500
jmb6644 antes 500
JonnyRyba antes 500
steviewu antes 500
c-biz-kid posts the small blind of 2,000
CAISSES posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to c-biz-kid [Qh Kh]
miniou has 15 seconds left to act
miniou folds
superAAman raises to 16,794, and is all in
wildman74 folds
jmb6644 folds
JonnyRyba folds
steviewu folds
c-biz-kid raises to 45,395, and is all in
CAISSES has 15 seconds left to act
CAISSES folds
c-biz-kid shows [Qh Kh]
superAAman shows [5h Ah]
Uncalled bet of 28,601 returned to c-biz-kid
*** FLOP *** [9h 4c Th]
*** TURN *** [9h 4c Th] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [9h 4c Th Tc] [2s]
c-biz-kid shows a pair of Tens
superAAman shows a pair of Tens
superAAman wins the pot (41,588) with a pair of Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 41,588 | Rake 0
Board: [9h 4c Th Tc 2s]
Seat 1: c-biz-kid (small blind) showed [Qh Kh] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: CAISSES (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: miniou folded before the Flop
Seat 4: superAAman showed [5h Ah] and won (41,588) with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: wildman74 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: jmb6644 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: JonnyRyba folded before the Flop
Seat 8: steviewu (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: fredgrh is sitting out


This was a tough spot, and I would love to hear skeptix's view on this. Villian had just lost a big pot the hand before so he could have easily been on tilt. With 10k in the pot pre flop, and the raise to 16k, I am looking at calling 14k to win something like 40k. This is way to good of a spot for me to fold imo. KQ is ahead of his pushing range and even if it wasnt, the price is to good. Looking at it a little deeper, I'm currently sitting with 45k at 2k/4k with a big ante, as far as I'm concerned I'm pretty much in push or fold mode anyway, so 29k vs 45k doesnt really change how I play my hands. If I had 25k -30k PERHAPS I would fold this. This is due to the fact that if I was to lose that pot I lose all fold equity, I'm down to 10-15k in chips but even then I believe it's close. This is however one example where my stack size does influence whether I should be making a +EV call in the long run.

In this case, the move failed but once again, I think in the long run this is a small edge which I am happy take. There are many who wouldn't.

For the record I ran 99 on the button into QQ on big blind next hand so I was probably destined to go broke in this tournament. It happens.


Anyway, just some food for thought.


WaxHaX0rS Jul 31, 2007 9:33am

First hand : your opponent could say the exact same thing as you (about how he's not doing this with less than TT and that his range is ahead of AK). Second hand : Again, from the opponent's perspective he's probably ahead against a random player. Against YOU it may be a -EV in the long run but against a random person it may be +EV. Even against you, if he knows your play well enough and knows you're going to be pushing any flop and therefore could consider this as a preflop race, paying 900 for all 5 cards. In addition, he is getting bad odds considering what you have but he is probably +EV against your range. Again, if he's not ahead of YOUR range then he's certainly ahead of the range of a random opponent (given the pot odds as well).

Last hand : isn't this standard?

angusg Jul 31, 2007 11:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaxHaX0rS (Post 510245)
Against YOU it may be a -EV in the long run but against a random person it may be +EV.

That doesn't really matter and in fact it's one of the things that makes the stop and go effective. The power of the stop & go is that you are putting your opponent in a spot where it's difficult for him to know what the "right" decision is. As a result he will make the "wrong" decision about half the time (edit: I mean "right" and "wrong" in the fundamental theorem of poker sense, ie the decision he would make if he could see your hole cards). Of course in this case the right decision would be to fold but you could equally be making this move with something like an unimproved suited connector, in which case the right decision would be to call. In either case though you are forcing him to make a decision which might be a "mistake" in the fundamental theorem sense. On the other hand if you just shove preflop, he would be correct to call even if he could see your hole cards, so unless he doesn't understand pot odds he will make the correct decision 100% of the time (well, 99%, sometimes you will have AA I guess).

Of course about a third of the time if he has AK the flop will improve his hand, you'll shove and he'll call with fist pump, but that result is no different from what would have happened if you shoved preflop. Similarly, it turns out kid would have also won this hand if he'd shoved preflop. So the stop and go is not some magic way of winning lots of pots that you would otherwise lose, it's a way of slightly increasing your edge in certain situations by increasing the possibility that your opponent will make a mistake and therefore winning some pots that you would otherwise lose.

WaxHaX0rS Jul 31, 2007 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by angusg (Post 510288)
That doesn't really matter and in fact it's one of the things that makes the stop and go effective. The point of the stop & go is that you are putting your opponent in a spot where it's difficult for him to know what the "right" decision is. As a result he will make the wrong decision about half the time. Of course in this case the right decision would be to fold but you could equally be making this move with something like an unimproved suited connector in which the right decision would be to call. In either case though you are forcing him to make a decision which might be a "mistake" in the fundamental theorem sense. On the other hand if you just shove preflop, he would be correct to call even if he could see your hole cards, so unless he doesn't understand pot odds he will make the correct decision 100% of the time (well, 99%, sometimes you will have AA I guess).

The right or wrong decision should not really be based on results of a single example. It sounds like you're being results-oriented. He's getting a little better than 2:1 and I doubt he's worse than a 2:1 dog on average (if he is then I'd bet it's very close).

edit: You yourself think that it's a good call about half the time so it's a clear call everytime given better than 2:1 pot odds.

kid hustlr Jul 31, 2007 11:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaxHaX0rS (Post 510245)
First hand : your opponent could say the exact same thing as you (about how he's not doing this with less than TT and that his range is ahead of AK).

I dont see how his range can be ahead of AK if he is happily calling 3 bet all in's with TT. There aren't many ranges 'ahead' of AK. Maybe with the money in the pot it's ok to be playing those mid pairs in position. Maybe. The fact is he has (effectively) called all in praying to be 50-50. A lot of those times he's a big dog. That's an overall loss as fas as I'm concerned.

Second hand : Again, from the opponent's perspective he's probably ahead against a random player.

That's irrelevant. He's been playing with me for an hour and I have only shown down strong hands. In fact, in this spot, you would need a VERY strong read to be able to make a call like this profitably. Even further, what is ahead of on that board? If I have any piece he's 3-1 against, at best I might have a naked flush draw in which he might be a slight favourite. This is a losing call by him in the long run.

Against YOU it may be a -EV

That's what matters to me.

in the long run but against a random person it may be +EV.

Irrilevant to me.

Even against you, if he knows your play well enough and knows you're going to be pushing any flop and therefore could consider this as a preflop race, paying 900 for all 5 cards.

I see what you are getting at here, but you're incorrect. He still needs to figure me for enough of a hand to call the pre flop raise. It's not a pre flop race. There isn't enough money in the pot pre flop to call it that. This gets back to those little edges I was talking about. Even if he know's I'm pushing any flop, what does he beat? This once again goes back to calling and preying. In the first instance, he is hoping to be 50-50, In this hand, he is hoping to have the right 'price'. Once again though, the important thing to remember here is that this is a little edge for me.

In addition, he is getting bad odds considering what you have but he is probably +EV against your range.

See above, even if it's +EV for him, it's even greater EV for me. I know my range, calling with A high is a loss.

Again, if he's not ahead of YOUR range then he's certainly ahead of the range of a random opponent (given the pot odds as well).

You are talking as if people will call a raise then shove any flop with ATC. That's not correct.

Overall, I'm talking about long run for me. If people are making these plays, they are mistakes against me and on other (most) occasions I will benefit. Calling all in with TT in that spot, is a loss, against me,calling with A high is a loss, against me.

Last hand : isn't this standard?

In most cases, yes. I used this hand to more point out the relation to stack sizes and the correct (I believe) accordingly. As I said, there are instances where I think and I could be wrong, I need to muck KQ there.

^^

angusg Jul 31, 2007 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaxHaX0rS (Post 510292)
The right or wrong decision should not really be based on results of a single example. It sounds like you're being results-oriented. He's getting a little better than 2:1 and I doubt he's worse than a 2:1 dog on average (if he is then I'd bet it's very close).

edit: You yourself think that it's a good call about half the time so it's a clear call everytime given better than 2:1 pot odds.

I mean "right" and "wrong" in the fundamental theorem of poker sense, ie the decision he would make if he could see your hole cards. (Have edited to specify this, I realise it was a bit vague.)

WaxHaX0rS Jul 31, 2007 12:10pm

Quote:

First hand : your opponent could say the exact same thing as you (about how he's not doing this with less than TT and that his range is ahead of AK).
Quote:


I dont see how his range can be ahead of AK if he is happily calling 3 bet all in's with TT. There aren't many ranges 'ahead' of AK. Maybe with the money in the pot it's ok to be playing those mid pairs in position. Maybe. The fact is he has (effectively) called all in praying to be 50-50. A lot of those times he's a big dog. That's an overall loss as fas as I'm concerned.

True, in this case the opponent is probably a donk. However (and this kinda contradicts the main point of my post but I think it should be noted), HE actually effectively 4-betted himself allin. It seems in this case you're the one who's probably 50-50 at best, and you basically called his allin 4-bet (you put his last big blind in, which he obviously can't fold even if he knew you had AA). I'm just saying that he seems very strong here as well (see the end of post for a bit more on this bit...).

Second hand : Again, from the opponent's perspective he's probably ahead against a random player.

That's irrelevant. He's been playing with me for an hour and I have only shown down strong hands. In fact, in this spot, you would need a VERY strong read to be able to make a call like this profitably. Even further, what is ahead of on that board? If I have any piece he's 3-1 against, at best I might have a naked flush draw in which he might be a slight favourite. This is a losing call by him in the long run.

Addressed in other post.

Against YOU it may be a -EV

That's what matters to me.

I understand, I think you misunderstand the intention...(see end of post)


in the long run but against a random person it may be +EV.

Irrilevant to me.

Ditto what I said right above

Even against you, if he knows your play well enough and knows you're going to be pushing any flop and therefore could consider this as a preflop race, paying 900 for all 5 cards.

I see what you are getting at here, but you're incorrect. He still needs to figure me for enough of a hand to call the pre flop raise. It's not a pre flop race. There isn't enough money in the pot pre flop to call it that. This gets back to those little edges I was talking about. Even if he know's I'm pushing any flop, what does he beat? This once again goes back to calling and preying. In the first instance, he is hoping to be 50-50, In this hand, he is hoping to have the right 'price'. Once again though, the important thing to remember here is that this is a little edge for me.

Continuation of argument a little above, addressed in other post.

In addition, he is getting bad odds considering what you have but he is probably +EV against your range.

See above, even if it's +EV for him, it's even greater EV for me. I know my range, calling with A high is a loss.

Same old...


Again, if he's not ahead of YOUR range then he's certainly ahead of the range of a random opponent (given the pot odds as well).

You are talking as if people will call a raise then shove any flop with ATC. That's not correct.

I dunno, I know I'm mostly used to my lowstakes but I've railed a lot of your's and skeptix's (and others) $24+ tournies a lot and I dunno if I'd be surprised to see any two face cards making the move you made.

Overall, I'm talking about long run for me. If people are making these plays, they are mistakes against me and on other (most) occasions I will benefit. Calling all in with TT in that spot, is a loss, against me,calling with A high is a loss, against me.

Ya, addressed below.


Last hand : isn't this standard?

In most cases, yes. I used this hand to more point out the relation to stack sizes and the correct (I believe) accordingly. As I said, there are instances where I think and I could be wrong, I need to muck KQ there.




I guess you're taking it the wrong way. I'm not really trying to say you're not making -EV plays. I was just sort of being the devil's advocate, arguing the other guy's case. For example, he could say :

"Whilst I understand villian playing AK in that spot, other than PERHAPS AQ, the only other hands I'm re-raising here are, TT, JJ, QQ, KK and AA. Villian is lucky to be racing in this spot and, in the long run, I gain from him playing this hand as he did."


Of course the guy is probably a donk, I just kinda noticed, as I was reading it, how this could be turned around and so I just decided to point it out for some reason. There's no real point to it I suppose other than just to say that this guy really isn't playing too bad and he might have an edge over the field himself (although that TT hand was a little edgy, his 4-bet shove might have been warranted if he's seen you 3-bet at least a few times).
.

WaxHaX0rS Jul 31, 2007 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by angusg (Post 510295)
I mean "right" and "wrong" in the fundamental theorem of poker sense, ie the decision he would make if he could see your hole cards. (Have edited to specify this, I realise it was a bit vague.)

I like how you edited it and added the second paragraph, makes your point much clearer. As I stated in my above post (sorry to spread all this across 3 posts), I'm simply being the devil's advocate in favor of this guy, no real point, and kid's +EV doesn't really have to do with my point. As I described above, this guy is getting better than 2:1 on his money and he is probably not more than a 2:1 dog on average.

angusg Jul 31, 2007 2:09pm

Yeah, in practice I think there are definite arguments for the call with AK...that's part of what makes the stop and go an effective play, that sensible people can disagree about how to react to it and it ends up being a +EV move in the right circumstances whatever your opponent does.

kid hustlr Aug 01, 2007 1:02am

Nice to see I sparked some discussion lol.

Not planning on playing today, or tomorrow, will try and get in a session soon though.

kid hustlr Aug 01, 2007 1:17pm

I had a chance to play some poker tonight and decided to jump at the oppurtunity.

I played a $26 qualifier to a FTOPS event, lost a race at a hugely important stage which was gutting because I think from that point on I could have cruised to a ticket. Oh well it happens.

Also played a 30 dollar tournament on tilt where I mislicked all in with 6T. Gone. That wasn't fun.

Im still in the mansion 20 rebuy, in for 80 but There is a logn way to go there.

Built a nice stack in the 50 dollar mtt on room only to lost 3 races in row, busto.

Cashed in 100 dol SNG on room for 300 so that was ok.

I DEFINATELY wont paly any poker tomorrow, not sure after that

kid hustlr Aug 02, 2007 10:10am

YUKKKKKKKKKKK.

Squeezed in some cash games on pokerroom when I knocked off early from uni. I think I was even after being up a lot at one stage.

I also leant my friend 200 bucks on pokerroom so that's why the account is down.

Note to self: STOP MAKING BIG PLAYS WHEN YOU BUILD A BIG STACK IN RING GAMES!!!

ok then, bankrolls:

POKEROOM: 7663
TILT: 2312
STARS: 545
MANSION: 1847

TOTAL: 12367 (-848 )

remembering that 200 of that is with a friend.

Another quick note to self that I can only really 3 table 100NL 6 max for about 90 mins, then i get tired.

One of these days I will win something.

brendo_8 Aug 03, 2007 12:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kid hustlr (Post 510989)

I DEFINATELY wont paly any poker tomorrow, not sure after that

lol

"Squeezed in some cash games on pokerroom when I knocked off early from uni."

(how do u quote twice?)

lets run hot today

kid hustlr Aug 03, 2007 5:20am

One of the worst poker days I can remember.

The stuff that happened to me today was inhumane. I was put in tough spots, People held over me all day, hitting draws, sets, the lot. Just an immensely tiring day. Plus the standard couldn't win a race, continous sucking out that is happening to me a lot atm. A tough day at the office so to speak.

PokerStars Game #11281121351: Tournament #56618123, $3+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/08/03 - 00:06:04 (ET)
Table '56618123 10' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: IRS ICEMAN (27665 in chips)
Seat 2: kid hustlr (21090 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerbiest (15813 in chips)
Seat 4: LlVE & LEARN (29950 in chips)
Seat 5: hmmhmmcamo (11310 in chips)
Seat 6: u_squinny (13670 in chips)
Seat 7: FlushdrawIRE (5655 in chips)
Seat 8: AAvsKKallin (8962 in chips)
AAvsKKallin: posts small blind 100
IRS ICEMAN: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid hustlr [Ac Ad]
kid hustlr: raises 450 to 650
pokerbiest: folds
LlVE & LEARN: calls 650
hmmhmmcamo: folds
u_squinny: calls 650
FlushdrawIRE: calls 650
AAvsKKallin: folds
IRS ICEMAN: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [4d 2c 9d]
IRS ICEMAN: checks
kid hustlr: bets 1850
LlVE & LEARN: raises 1850 to 3700
u_squinny: folds
FlushdrawIRE: raises 1305 to 5005 and is all-in
IRS ICEMAN: folds
kid hustlr:

This is just one example of the tough spots I was put in today.

I'm still in a couple of tournys but nothing really to note.

BANKROLL:
11925 (-1290 )

go go go zuirs in the 27.50 on stars

WaxHaX0rS Aug 03, 2007 5:26am

That hand is so wtf

kid hustlr Aug 03, 2007 5:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaxHaX0rS (Post 512401)
That hand is so wtf

Yeah it was just after the rebuy period, people have mroe chips than they know what to do with.

bluelips Aug 03, 2007 5:26pm

aye what was your busto hand in the 20/180 we played together? Aye cannae remember, as i was playing a few too many tables.

I busted shortly after you did i think

kid hustlr Aug 04, 2007 2:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluelips (Post 512700)
aye what was your busto hand in the 20/180 we played together? Aye cannae remember, as i was playing a few too many tables.

I busted shortly after you did i think

I never got anything going in that I think I lost a race just after the break or something

kid hustlr Aug 05, 2007 6:59am

Just had a gross 100NL session.

KK<JJ
KK<AK
AQ chop A3 on a AKA board
all for stacks as well.

It happens.
guessing i was down about 300-350.

kid hustlr Aug 05, 2007 8:56pm

The Plan:

I have just applied for the 1k bonus on pokerroom. To be honest, I'm not even sure if i can clear this bonus but over the next week or so I will play mainly ring games in an attempt to find out i fi can actually clear this bonus in a 2 month period. If I can, it looks like I will be playing the money games for a while (a welcome change, I was really happy with my play y/d). If, after playing lots of money games for a week I dont think I will be able to clear it then I will return to my normal schedule of playing mainly tournaments.

It's nice to have a goal to work towards however.

insertnickname Aug 06, 2007 6:53am

I had a really tough time lately too.
Downswing, then a 20k Breakeven stretch and after that I tilted like a monkey. I made myself some goals and it really help.
Hope it works out for you aswell.

cobalt Aug 06, 2007 6:56am

insertnickname, the English title of your blog sounded interesting. But, um, I found it a little, um, difficult to read for some reason. :)

Sorry about the bad sessions, Kid. I'll be very curious to see how things change with you switching to cash games for a while.

kid hustlr Aug 06, 2007 7:04am

It's just a rough patch. It happens.

I have to say it's ncie to have something to chase. Even though I enjoy tournaments more this is a welcome change.

insertnickname Aug 06, 2007 7:16am

I will start writing in english then ;)
Will make a english post today, and summarize everything :)

cobalt Aug 06, 2007 7:22am

Sweet. Thank you. :)

kid hustlr Aug 06, 2007 9:39am

First heavy day of ring games.

Played really good. Ran pretty good as well. I can remember at least 2 occasion I raised 75s UTG and flopped str8's so it was a nice day.

I will ony be playing 100NL on pokeroom. I have the BR to play 200NL there but to be honest, I like playing 100NL and I am comfortable at that level. I have always been nitty with BR management anyway.

2 interesting hands:

Hand 1:

Table reskop88's HE, 6 Aug 2007 2:55 AM ET



Seat 1: Zeatrix_184 ($94 in chips)
Seat 2: Upstart 1 ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 4: c-biz-kid ($223.10 in chips)
Seat 8: reynes ($95.55 in chips)
Seat 10: egotrip66 ($116 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
reynes posts blind ($0.50), egotrip66 posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
Zeatrix_184 folds, Upstart 1 calls $1, c-biz-kid bets $4.50, reynes bets $15, egotrip66 folds, Upstart 1 folds, c-biz-kid calls $11.

FLOP [board cards 3H,JS,2D ]
reynes bets $25, c-biz-kid bets $207.60 and is all-in, reynes calls $55.05 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards 3H,JS,2D,6S ]


RIVER [board cards 3H,JS,2D,6S,AC ]


SHOWDOWN
c-biz-kid shows [ QC,QD ]
reynes shows [ KS,AS ]
c-biz-kid wins $127.55, reynes wins $190.10.




SUMMARY
Dealer: c-biz-kid
Pot: $320.65, (including rake: $3)
Zeatrix_184, loses $0
Upstart 1, loses $1
c-biz-kid, bets $223.10, collects $127.55, net -$95.55
reynes, bets $95.55, collects $190.10, net $94.55
egotrip66, loses $1




This was an interesting one. I hadn't seen this guy 3 bet at all so I was definately weary. Having said that QQ on the button in that spot I will probably go broke in most cases. Thinking about the hand now, me just calling pre flop is actually me choosing to go all the way with this hand. If I wanted to give myself the oppurtunity to fold I would 4 bet to 40 dollars and then fold to an all in. Obviously I wouldn't do this too often but I feel that's the best way to get away from the hand. By just calling the flop I'm pretty much saying to myself I will go broke on a low board.

In this case I actually played it perfect and Villian made what can only be described as a quesitonable call. I was happy with my play however.

Hand 2:


Table c-biz-kid's HE, 6 Aug 2007 3:56 AM ET



Seat 2: bananaweed ($119.20 in chips)
Seat 3: c-biz-kid ($271.70 in chips)
Seat 5: larst1 ($160.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Armands ($35.80 in chips)
Seat 10: cedricmagic1 ($90.85 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
cedricmagic1 posts blind ($0.50), bananaweed posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
c-biz-kid bets $3.50, larst1 calls $3.50, Armands bets $10, cedricmagic1 folds, bananaweed folds, c-biz-kid calls $6.50, larst1 calls $6.50.

FLOP [board cards 9D,7D,4H ]
c-biz-kid bets $12, larst1 calls $12, Armands bets $25.80 and is all-in, c-biz-kid bets $249.70 and is all-in, larst1 calls $138.15 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards 9D,7D,4H,10S ]


RIVER [board cards 9D,7D,4H,10S,10D ]


SHOWDOWN
c-biz-kid shows [ QD,AD ]
larst1 shows [ 7S,7C ]
Armands shows [ QH,QS ]
c-biz-kid wins $111.55, larst1 wins $248.70, larst1 wins $105.90.




SUMMARY
Dealer: Armands
Pot: $469.15, (including rake: $3)
bananaweed, loses $1
c-biz-kid, bets $271.70, collects $111.55, net -$160.15
larst1, bets $160.15, collects $354.60, net $194.45
Armands, loses $35.80
cedricmagic1, loses $0.50



NOW, this one is a little more complicated.

Pre flop is close to tell you the truth. I was pretty sure villian is strong in this spot but at the same time I have a strong hand and I was certain if I called that the guy behind me would call. A quick note on the guy behind. We are both very deep yet he is definately not much more than a calling station. Effectively, how big his hand is defines how much he will call. He's also pretty loose pre flop. So I decided to take a flop.

Note that the 3 bettor in this spot was pretty short.

When the flop hits obviosuly I like my hand and even tho there was a 3 bet pre flop, I felt I was in pretty good shape. NOW, I remember at the time realising that the 3 bettor had 25 behind him and i was pretty sure he was going to move in. With that said, I made sure I bet as much as I could, WHILST letting me act again. This would mean I could 3 bet isolation against the other guy in the hand (big stack, calling station). Thus the bet of 12. True to form, Mr call station called and as presumed, 3 bettor moved in. I re-raised shoved (to isolate, plus I wanted to see both cards). This is where it MAY be a little spewy but the fact is the calling station will only call with about 3 hands in this spot. He called a lot, but he wasn't a donk, he knew when he was beat.

Unfortunately in this spot he had one of the few hands I didn't want to see. I honestly don't know if that flop play is a leak or not but considering that he could have such a wide variety of hands, I think it was OK. It just sucked he was so deep.

Thinking about the hand now I could have easily just called the re-raise but as played I make the call station fold the majority of his hands. Against a strong opponent, I probably check to the raiser on the flop and then move in anyway (so much in the pot at that stage) so in most cases I go broke (I think).

Oh and obviosuly I dont catch up lol.

BANKROLL:
POKEROOM: 7480
STARS: 419 (Why can't this money just die?)
TILT: 2220
MANSION: 1804

TOTAL: 11923 (-1292)

Remembering my friend owes me 200 also.

kid hustlr Aug 06, 2007 9:40am

A quick note on the bonus, I need 10000 player points in 60 days.

I think this is achievable but It will definately take up most of my time. 3 tabling 100NL allows for ABOUT 150 points an hour (I think) so If I can just keep working on those 90 minute sessions over the next few weeks I should be right on track. Long way to go though.

kid hustlr Aug 07, 2007 5:56am

Very good day or ring games today.

I spoke earlier about how I can only play for a certain period of time. I 3 table 6 max 100NL at Pokerroom for about 60-90 mins at a time. That's not a whole lot, but I'd say in most cases thats around 250 hand an hour. That's a lot of decision making and every decision has to be correct. Even If I'm running well or have a big stack, which I enjoy, I will always get up and leave if I feel any type of fatigue because I don't want to compromise my play. It's not like tournaments where the tables are long handed and I am only looking to play premium hands, 6 max you are ALWAYS in the action, it's a lot tougher. People talk about tournaments being cut throat in that once u are out u are out, whereas in a money game u can just rebuy, that's true but it's not a great way to think about it if you ask me.

I think I played about 750 hands today and made around 300 player points. I need 10 000.

If my maths is correct I need to play 25000 hands in 2 months. I honestly don't know how many some of the guys like krappykonnect, buble boy, ishbu, shads etc. play but that seems like a lot. It just means I need to be focused (which goes without saying) and plan my time well. Thinking baout it now this bonus isn't exactly great but If it gets me playing good ring game poker like I used to in the past then it will be worth it.

Tournaments have always been more enjoyable to me and I think as my poker 'career' moves forward I will end up playing relatively more tourny's than RG's. Having said that it would be a nice feeling to always know I have the ability to fall back on my ring game ability, should I require a change, or for whatever other reason (running bad in tourny's etc. etc.). I should remind myself though that I used to make a lot of money playing 100NL on both stars and Pokeroom and, up until i ran really well in Mansion for those few months, I hadn't won a whole lot on tournaments other than taking down a few 180 man sng's on stars and the odd tournament on Pokeroom.

ANYWAY, the only bankroll that changed from yesterday was Pokeroom, it's now at 7887.

OVERALL BANKROLL: 12330 (-885)


Table wrthzz's HE, 6 Aug 2007 8:13 PM ET



Seat 3: c-biz-kid ($131 in chips)
Seat 4: gallos18 ($123.60 in chips)
Seat 7: mixalis25 ($115.10 in chips)
Seat 8: MrReal1986 ($30.95 in chips)
Seat 10: __MET__ ($101.75 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
gallos18 posts blind ($0.50), mixalis25 posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
MrReal1986 folds, __MET__ bets $3, c-biz-kid calls $3, gallos18 bets $5, mixalis25 calls $4.50, __MET__ calls $2.50, c-biz-kid calls $2.50.

FLOP [board cards 4S,3H,2S ]
gallos18 bets $12, mixalis25 calls $12, __MET__ folds, c-biz-kid bets $125.50 and is all-in, gallos18 calls $106.10 and is all-in, mixalis25 folds.

TURN [board cards 4S,3H,2S,AH ]


RIVER [board cards 4S,3H,2S,AH,AC ]


SHOWDOWN
c-biz-kid shows [ 5S,7S ]
gallos18 shows [ QH,QD ]
c-biz-kid wins $7.40, c-biz-kid wins $267.20.



SUMMARY
Dealer: c-biz-kid
Pot: $277.60, (including rake: $3)
c-biz-kid, bets $131, collects $274.60, net $143.60
gallos18, loses $123.60
mixalis25, loses $17.50
MrReal1986, loses $0
__MET__, loses $5.50


Granted I had a little bit of help here, But I was suprised to see QQ stack off here. QQ is WAYYYY behind my range for shoving that flop, It was nice to catch up though. This looks a little over the top but it's a pretty standard play for me. Whilst I'm in postion, Hitting my card on the turn would, in most cases kill my action so i figured to get them all in now. I can handle the variance and with the money in the pot, plus the fold equity (not in this case) I'll make this play all day.


Table wrthzz's HE, 6 Aug 2007 8:11 PM ET



Seat 3: c-biz-kid ($105 in chips)
Seat 4: gallos18 ($125.60 in chips)
Seat 7: mixalis25 ($116.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Blu3Hawk ($116.20 in chips)
Seat 10: __MET__ ($97.55 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
Blu3Hawk posts blind ($0.50), __MET__ posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
c-biz-kid bets $3.50, gallos18 folds, mixalis25 folds, Blu3Hawk calls $3, __MET__ folds.

FLOP [board cards 5H,5D,JS ]
Blu3Hawk checks, c-biz-kid bets $5.50, Blu3Hawk bets $11, c-biz-kid calls $5.50.

TURN [board cards 5H,5D,JS,7H ]
Blu3Hawk bets $15, c-biz-kid calls $15.

RIVER [board cards 5H,5D,JS,7H,8D ]
Blu3Hawk checks, c-biz-kid checks.

SHOWDOWN
Blu3Hawk shows [ 9H,JH ]
c-biz-kid shows [ JC,AS ]
c-biz-kid wins $57.



SUMMARY
Dealer: mixalis25
Pot: $60, (including rake: $3)
c-biz-kid, bets $29.50, collects $57, net $27.50
gallos18, loses $0
mixalis25, loses $0
Blu3Hawk, loses $29.50
__MET__, loses $1

This is a little leak in my play. The check raise is scary, but with the image I had at this table, plus the fact this player is an unknown I think calling on the flop is the correct play, pretty rare he has a 5 here. Obviously he will lead the turn, it changes nothing as far as I'm concerned so I have to call here, KJ,QJ,TT etc is way to likely.

The real issue is when he checks the river. I think I need to value bet here. It's a dry board. It's not terrible to check behind, especially seeing as he could be weak tight and have somthing like QQ,KK,AA, but in most cases I should bet I think.

In this case, I missed 20-30 dollars worth of value.

kid hustlr Aug 08, 2007 8:56am

TOTAL BANKROLL: 12735 ( -390 )

STARS: 419
TILT: 2220
MANSION: 1804
POKEROOM: 8292

Another solid day of money games. Not a whole lot of time spent at the tables, but everything I did seemed to be t he correct play. Very happy with how things went down today.

I'm still making the adjustment to routinely playing ring games instead of tournaments. For me, money games are tougher, I actually get kind of nervous playing, something that I only feel during tournaments at the very deep end. Having said that, I have been more focused than ever of the last couple of days and my play has followed suit. I need to get in to the frame of mind that most of my play's are robot like. I rarely (never) open limp, I'll push the buttone hard, I'll 3 bet with xxx range, I'll back my judgement. This is what I have to get to.

On an aside, I noticed some of my figures for 6 max today according to Pokeroom's figures. I fold pre fop 60-75% of the time, this is slightly tighter than what I used to do from memory. Further, I'm almost always the one betting and pushing the pot, I think that's how this game needs to be played. Finally, and this is coming from my tournament knowledge i think, I am in no way scared or nervous about 3 betting a button raise out of the blinds. Taking the lead = profit and if I think a button steal is going down, I will find out. Betting for information rocks.

EDIT: Also good luck to all the FTOPS ptippers tomorrow. Win something big please.

kid hustlr Aug 11, 2007 2:37am

This is getting monotonous (sp??)

Pokeroom BR is 8130. Having said that, I'm actually down 3-4 buy ins from when I posted last as my friend repayed me the 200 bucks I leant him.

3 tabling 100NL can get REALLY boring at times but I just need to suck it up and keep working. I'm very happy with my deep stack play. I can only remember putting my whole stack in the middle once behind over the last couple of days and that is a great feeling. Most of the pots I lose are from failed c-bets or failed floating plays. That or people outdrawing me. So long as I'm not making any BIG mistakes (putting 50+ BB in a long way behind) then I'm confident there are enough fish on ongame to make this little campaign profitable. Having said that, I was quite suprised that most of the ongame players over the last couple of days have been pretty strong. I should remind myself it is 100nl so players should have a fairly good idea what is going on.

I have cleared just over 1/10 of the points I need to. SO at this stage I'm on track, although it would be nice to be ahead of the ledger so to speak. I'm thining I will play tournaments tomorrow for a change, I need the change lol.

Also, thinking about it more, If I am able to somehow get my Pokeroom BR to 10k I will move up to 200nl. That's a long way off though.


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