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AceSweaty Aug 01, 2007 12:08am

Bored? Bankroll looking generous? Try ' The System '
 
For those of you who haven't read Sklansky's tournament poker I'll quote the two simple rules of his creation 'The System'...

'1) If someone else has raised in front of you, move in all of your chips with aces, kings, or ace-king suited. Otherwise fold.

2) If no one else has raised in front of you, move in all your chips with any pair, any ace-other suited, ace-king (suited or off suit), or two suited connected cards, except for four trey or trey deuce. '


Ok so before i tell you how i got on with it, I'll just quote the reasoning behind the madness:

'A well known casino owner wanted to give his 21 year old daughter the thrill of playing in the final world championship event at the World Series of Poker at Binion's Horseshoe in Las Vegas.... There was only one problem. She had never played poker before in her life.'

'The casino owner, skeptical of my system, decided to try it himself in this smaller tournament (a $2000 NL tournament). The System brought his chips from $2000 to $35,000! He made the final table and came in about 5th place. He decided, for the first time in the tournament, to deviate from 'The System'. Specifically, what he did was call a raise in front of him with AKo. The flop came AKT and the raiser had two tens. Furthermore the raiser was the only player who had more chips than he did. Thus there is every reason to believe that had he followed The System, he would have come in at least the top three.

'The daughter was not so lucky... right near the end of the first day she ran into a big stack with the dreaded aces. I always wonder what would have happened had she won that hand.'



So after reading this story and taking a few bad hits HU I found a few reasons of Sklansky's to give it a try in a $1.10 turbo 45 player MTT:

1) 'Most good players would feel very silly playing such a system, so anyone who tested it would more likely be a gambler who does not have his ego involved.' (not a problem for me I'm not a good player and as for the gambling part, $1.10 is 4% of my bankroll.)

2) 'There is no good counter strategy which avoids significant risk. In fact, if you use it at a table with some famous world champions, I guarantee you will have them tearing their hair out.' (with hindsight, there were less world champions playing than I'd expected)


So i followed the strategy religiously folding AQ off suit at all times. I took the tournament lead on the 2nd hand when my 6's beat the AJo called by the big blind. I managed to maintain a substantial lead after my 10's held up against another guy calling all in with AJo. When there were less than 2/3 of us left my tournament took a turn. My T8s was called down by AKo... but by two players. I couldn't really help but smile when the 8 hit the turn and the chat box lit-up with the D word. My stack of over 13,000 was now over double the average. Receiving AA, KK and QQ on my way to the final table helped take the ante's and a few short stacks. On the final table I noticed my stack depleting and fast as the $2000 BB's took their toll. But my 2's holding up against AQ and the guy to my right folding every small blind in fear of me getting all-in angry kept me in the lead to the last 5. At this point the short stack's being swallowed up , left me 2nd of 3. The chip leader raised my small blind and obviously with 75s in front of me I had to go all in. Unfortunately it couldn't defeat his 6's and I left the tournament in third, with no gg message from either of the remaining players or observers.

And that is how using just 13% of the possible pre-flop hands dealt to me, I managed to turn $1.10 into $7 using 'The System'. Thankyou David Sklansky.

Gus Aug 01, 2007 2:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceSweaty (Post 510717)
2) In fact, if you use it at a table with some famous world champions, I guarantee you will have them tearing their hair out.'


lol no.

But I agree 100% that its a good system against better players than you or for someone whos not good postflop. When you dont have the skills, make it 100% luck. Interesting post!

KTC Aug 01, 2007 3:25am

There's actually a refined system that takes into account the blind size as well, but it might be easier to learn to play poker than follow the refined system if you're not a computer.

AceSweaty Aug 01, 2007 12:15pm

Hehe, yeah I don't think I'll be using it too often. Perhaps for a laugh in the sunday hundred k qualifier whilst i grind my pennys.

spicol Aug 01, 2007 6:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceSweaty (Post 510717)
'1) If someone else has raised in front of you, move in all of your chips with aces, kings, or ace-king suited. Otherwise fold.

2) If no one else has raised in front of you, move in all your chips with any pair, any ace-other suited, ace-king (suited or off suit), or two suited connected cards, except for four trey or trey deuce. '

My T8s was called down by AKo... but by two players...<snip> The chip leader raised my small blind and obviously with 75s in front of me I had to go all in.

If what is in bold is the system in its entirety, did you really follow it? It says nothing about suited gappers.

AceSweaty Aug 01, 2007 8:01pm

Wooah thanks.

eli924 Aug 01, 2007 8:56pm

Haha. Great post. I think I'll try it to just for shits and giggles at one of those $1 tourneys like you did. Maybe I'll get lucky? :biggrin:



Eli

Adman Aug 01, 2007 9:19pm

The Kill Phil system is based on David Sklansky's original "system." The authors make numerous references to it throughout the book.

The Outlaw Aug 08, 2007 7:24pm

tried this in a 45 player $1 at FT...finished 8th
 
I actually didn't bust out due to the system either. I had A/2os in the BB with one limper. Flop comes Qc4s5c...I checked, he checked....turn was the 3c...I bet the pot which was about 2000. My stack was around the 8-10x bb point then. He comes back over he top of me to put me all in. I really did think about folding to keep to the system but I called unfortunately. He turns over two clubs and I was out. It was fun playing like that though and I probably should have done better if I hadn't gotten over zealous with my straight.

Ok, tried it again in two other tournaments playing a modified version. I limped with small pp from early position vs. shoving and I played the Ax suited as it relates to position(shoved late, limped early). Finished 7th out of 150 in a $15 bounty at UB cashed $125 and picked up about 10 bounties. The other tourney was a $10 buy in with just over 100 in. I busted out early with pocket 9's. The guy who called my all in shove had K/8os so I'm not sure what he was thinking.

After 3 tourneys I like the system, but then again it relies a lot on luck...

AceSweaty Aug 10, 2007 9:20pm

Yeah it does rely on luck a hell of a lot, KTC and Adman are right though there are two improved more complicated versions of the system, but it's not a bad strategy to use if you're multitabling and fancy a shot at a microstakes qualifier. Oh yeah, welcome to PTips!


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