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whitespirit Jul 16, 2010 6:43pm

QQ v AK..advice please, had a bad beat :\
 
This evening I was dealt pocket queens on the button, when a mid position player raised 6 x big blind.

After my re-raise and a call from him, the flop comes - 7, 2, 4.

I've pinned him on AK or AQ. He raises all-in, to which I called instantly. He has AK.

Turn comes and presents nothing to save him.

On the river he hits the Ace. It was unfortunate but realised it was one of those times where it 'just happens' and odds worked against me.

I was wondering if you guys have any comments on this.

I thought my play was rather standard and had him pinned. Is there anything you would have done differently or maybe shoved sooner? This all happened on the first blind level - just unfortunate I guess.

kmay06 Jul 16, 2010 7:14pm

My advice would be to not think that you can pin someone on one or two hands with so little action. His range is much wider than AK/AQ there.

jimmytrick Jul 16, 2010 7:45pm

My advice is to focus on the important stuff. Stack sizes, blind levels, buyin, your image, and your read on your opponent are the things that you should be thinking of and telling us.

Above is correct, his range includes KK and AA in most cases. Unless you have a good read, unlikely, and one question would be do you really think you can put him on AK sufficiently often enough to stack off with a one pair hand on the first level of a tourney?

Why?

whitespirit Jul 16, 2010 10:04pm

I see what you're both saying. I've see him play before and he was a regular player who's betting was fairly standard. After realising he had a premium hand, I narrowed it down to either a pocket pair or a couple of over cards.

His raise all-in on the flop baffled me but I guess with no other face cards on show, I guessed I was safe.

Ah well, was a good hand and I definitely learnt from it :)

acehole_76 Jul 16, 2010 11:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitespirit (Post 907524)
I see what you're both saying. I've see him play before and he was a regular player who's betting was fairly standard. After realising he had a premium hand, I narrowed it down to either a pocket pair or a couple of over cards.

His raise all-in on the flop baffled me but I guess with no other face cards on show, I guessed I was safe.

Ah well, was a good hand and I definitely learnt from it :)


Why cant he have AA or KK?

killcrazy Jul 17, 2010 1:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitespirit (Post 907524)
I narrowed it down to either a pocket pair or a couple of over cards.

so, a minute ago he had AK or AQ, now he has about a third of the deck?

Kc

SwoopAE Jul 17, 2010 4:32am

If you think you're ahead, your call is fine. You need to work out whether you're ahead of or behind the whole range of hands he could have rather than any one individual hand.

That said, you made the correct call in this instance and you got unlucky. Don't be results oriented. Similarly, if you had the AK here and he had QQ you would have made a mistake regardless of the results in getting it in behind.

As played, you made a good read and got it in ahead. That's all you can do in poker, let variance sort the rest out.

acehole_76 Jul 17, 2010 5:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwoopAE (Post 907554)
As played, you made a good read and got it in ahead. That's all you can do in poker, let variance sort the rest out.


maybe perhaps the hero has AK/AQ at the top of the villians range when really it is the bottom of their range......

@ OP you cant put a player on AK/AQ here you just cant it can be part of the range but not the whole range

whitespirit Jul 17, 2010 3:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwoopAE (Post 907554)
If you think you're ahead, your call is fine. You need to work out whether you're ahead of or behind the whole range of hands he could have rather than any one individual hand.

That said, you made the correct call in this instance and you got unlucky. Don't be results oriented. Similarly, if you had the AK here and he had QQ you would have made a mistake regardless of the results in getting it in behind.

As played, you made a good read and got it in ahead. That's all you can do in poker, let variance sort the rest out.

thanks swoop :)

pierre_AA Jul 22, 2010 11:53am

just a thought, it could have been an option, to just call, first, because with the reraise you want the pot to be big and to know if you're looking good,bad or ahead completely. So if he raised 6xbb i wouldn't care too much of the pot being little cuz it's obvious (in most of the times) that the vilain is going to push postflop.

So, if you dont have that many hands to literally put him on a close range, a call and a slow play if no other overcards come to you, or maybe raising on flop to his cbet could be fine too.


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