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MCT Sep 20, 2010 4:13pm

Limit 7-Stud Hand
 
Poker Stars $0.04/$0.08 Limit Stud $0.01 Ante - 7 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (1.75 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 2 calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 3 brings in for $0.02____Seat 3 calls
Seat 5: xx xx Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif___Hero completes
Seat 7: xx xx 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 8 calls

4th Street: (6.75 SB) (5 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 2 calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5: xx xx Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 5 folds
Hero: Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif___Hero calls
Seat 8: xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 8 bets

5th Street: (6.375 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 2 folds
Hero: Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif___Hero raises
Seat 8: xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif____Seat 8 bets____Seat 8 calls

6th Street: (10.375 BB) (2 players)
Hero: Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif___Hero bets
Seat 8: xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif____Seat 8 checks____Seat 8 calls

7th Street: (12.375 BB) (2 players)
Hero: Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif___Hero checks
Seat 8: xx xx Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif xx____Seat 8 checks

Final Pot: 12.375 BB
Hero shows Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Seat 8 shows Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (three of a kind, Aces)
Seat 8 wins 11.875 BB
(Rake: $0.04)

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How's my play on 4th, 6th and 7th?

Also, I'm really just starting to play Stud, so can anyone point me to a decent site for strategy? I haven't been able to find much thus far.

Merci buckets in advance.



killcrazy Sep 20, 2010 7:03pm

4th is fine. 6th is more complex. firstly, you have no fold equity because he is never passing aces. looking at the numbers, there are 33 unknown cards, so you need to have more than 16.5 outs to have bet odds, you have 14 outs to trips or better and an additional 9 outs to 2 pair...so if 2 pair is enough more than 1/3 of the time, betting is +EV.

7th street, pure math in a vacuum he's about a 60% favourite to have aces up or better so you should check. he has an A, 3 or 6 (6 outs) in the hole 47.6% of the time, and a pocket pair something like 12% of the time (26 cards are accounted for at this point, so there are on average 2 of every rank, he has 3 hole cards, so on his 2nd card he pairs his first card 1/25, and on his 3rd card he pairs one of the first two cards 2/24, so ~4%+8%=12%, this is extremely rough math, but it's close enough to be sure which action is better)

so, revisiting 6th street, knowing that he is going to have our 2 pair beat 60% of the time, those 9 outs to 2 pair count as about 3.6 outs (each of those 9 outs is good 40% of the time, 9*0.4=3.6). this gives us a total of 17.6 outs in 33 cards, and correct bet odds. disco. but there is a caveat, which is that to flat ??A, he actually does have a smallish wired pair more often than he would by pure math, he shouldn't be playing a hand like 8s3cAh, but he is coming along with 7s7cAh. 6th street is pretty close anyway, so it's not like you're making a colossal fuck up if you get it wrong, you're only giving up a fraction of a bet.

i'm bound to have said something stupid in there somewhere, but at least it will spark replies. in answer to your other question, the old 2+2 stud book is a pretty good place to start, it will at least give you some things to think about.

Kc

MCT Sep 21, 2010 8:59pm

Good stuff, as usual.

Cheers,

Me

killcrazy Nov 15, 2010 3:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovelldrew (Post 934352)
Limit Seven-Card Stud requires employment of a lot of strategy, a lot of skill and discipline, and the ability balance different concepts simultaneously. Analysis is difficult because of the additional round of betting. As in all forms of poker are great, but there are exceptions to the rules and the concepts that must be clearly grasped in order to be a successful, winning player. You must know when to make exceptions and use judgment to make the best decision possible in any given situation. Not every play scenario fits into clear guidelines.

so what you're saying is, it is essential that one maintains a conscious understanding of when to retain one's cards, and furthermore when those cards should be abandoned, as part of the greater proustian imperative to extract yourself from the action casually, and on occasion with greater alacrity?

i would also caution against a hasty self-audit in situ, there will be myriad opportunity for said once the process is concluded.

Kc


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