Thread: Floor Ruling?
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Old May 09, 2012, 4:55pm   #4
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A mucked hand is dead.

But I think there may be more going on here than we have been told. Perhaps a dispute over whether the cards actually touched the muck or some such? I mean, why is the dealer printing the turn? They apparently don't think the hand is dead...

More broadly, I am of the belief that the game should be decided by play wherever possible. A genuine mistake in mechanics or etiquette should be treated as such. The second time he does it, the floor will be much less forgiving.

Apart from anything else, it's better for the game to be tolerant and forgiving of such errors. If you aggressively enforce string bets, forward motion, etc, you're going to chase a bunch of those fish who don't know better and want to gamble away to the blackjack tables.

So my advice to OP is this. Firstly, never under any circumstances raise your voice to a casino employee regardless of how badly they are fucking things up. Apart from the fact that throwing a tantrum makes you look like a twat, having the dealers and floor on your side is +EV. When they do help you out with a ruling, remember to take care of them. If a ruling goes against you, you have made your case and had it rejected, accept the ruling and get on with the game. With a little verbal finesse and a respectful attitude to the floor you probably could have got more from this than you did. Maybe he would agree to run the rest of the hand out without action, or kill the 8 and deal a new turn, or just chop the pot up between the two of you. Or you could shout at him and make him totally disinterested in helping you.

Secondly, assuming you are a winning player who is making money in that game, recognise that the money you win isn't just coming out of a magic hole in the ceiling. It's coming from other players, and you have a part to play in making everybody at the table want to be there. Nobody wants to play with an officious, antagonistic kid.

Kc
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