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Old Mar 12, 2008, 8:11pm   #1
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The old addage that no one can get away from kings preflop... apparently applies in omaha as well.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5606669295: Table Potter (6 max) - $1/$2 - $80 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 15:04:07 ET - 2008/03/12
Seat 1: FeelinLuckyPunk ($185.25), is sitting out
Seat 2: jd1167 ($290), is sitting out
Seat 4: Mrreadchips ($140.70)
Seat 5: Slawina ($90)
Seat 6: The LA Mike ($326.40)
The LA Mike posts the small blind of $1
Mrreadchips posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mrreadchips [6c Ac Ah 4h]
The LA Mike raises to $6
Mrreadchips raises to $18
The LA Mike raises to $54
Mrreadchips raises to $80, and is capped
The LA Mike calls $26, and is capped
Mrreadchips shows [6c Ac Ah 4h]
The LA Mike shows [Ks Kh 3c 3h]
*** FLOP *** [5c 2s 7s]
*** TURN *** [5c 2s 7s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5c 2s 7s Kc] [9s]
Mrreadchips shows a pair of Aces
The LA Mike shows three of a kind, Kings
The LA Mike wins the pot ($159.50) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $160 | Rake $0.50
Board: [5c 2s 7s Kc 9s]
Seat 1: FeelinLuckyPunk is sitting out
Seat 2: jd1167 is sitting out
Seat 4: Mrreadchips (big blind) showed [6c Ac Ah 4h] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Slawina is sitting out
Seat 6: The LA Mike (small blind) showed [Ks Kh 3c 3h] and won ($159.50) with three of a kind, Kings
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Old Mar 12, 2008, 8:38pm   #2
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A few orbits later:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5606828108: Table Potter (6 max) - $1/$2 - $80 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 15:19:22 ET - 2008/03/12
Seat 1: FeelinLuckyPunk ($192.05)
Seat 2: jd1167 ($276.10)
Seat 3: youRON2 ($121.95)
Seat 4: Mrreadchips ($297.70)
Seat 5: Slawina ($47.50)
Seat 6: The LA Mike ($394.40)
jd1167 posts the small blind of $1
youRON2 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mrreadchips [2c Ah 2s Ad]
Mrreadchips calls $2
Slawina raises to $9
The LA Mike folds
FeelinLuckyPunk folds
jd1167 folds
youRON2 calls $7
Mrreadchips has 15 seconds left to act
Mrreadchips raises to $37
Slawina raises to $47.50, and is all in
youRON2 has 15 seconds left to act
youRON2 calls $38.50
Mrreadchips calls $10.50
*** FLOP *** [7s Js 2d]
youRON2 has 15 seconds left to act
youRON2 checks
Mrreadchips bets $32.50, and is capped
youRON2 calls $32.50, and is capped
Mrreadchips shows [2c Ah 2s Ad]
Slawina shows [Qh Kc Qc 8h]
youRON2 shows [Ac 8s 9c 9d]
*** TURN *** [7s Js 2d] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [7s Js 2d Kh] [Qs]
Mrreadchips shows three of a kind, Twos
youRON2 shows a pair of Nines
Mrreadchips wins the side pot ($65) with three of a kind, Twos
Slawina shows three of a kind, Queens
Slawina wins the main pot ($140.50) with three of a kind, Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $208.50 Main pot $143.50. Side pot $65. | Rake $3
Board: [7s Js 2d Kh Qs]
Seat 1: FeelinLuckyPunk (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: jd1167 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: youRON2 (big blind) showed [Ac 8s 9c 9d] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: Mrreadchips showed [2c Ah 2s Ad] and won ($65) with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 5: Slawina showed [Qh Kc Qc 8h] and won ($140.50) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: The LA Mike didn't bet (folded)


PS - if you're tired of watching me take beats, I posted an actual strategy question as well - http://www.pokertips.org/forums/showthread.php?p=625208
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Old Mar 12, 2008, 8:51pm   #3
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Old Mar 12, 2008, 9:01pm   #4
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Old Mar 12, 2008, 9:17pm   #5
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So much for the bare ace bluff - people must think this is hi/lo or something when they 3-bet/call 4-bet 5 high!

Full Tilt Poker Game #5607403500: Table Borden (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:11:53 ET - 2008/03/12
Seat 1: lnb1009 ($95.25)
Seat 2: Almtom ($238.30)
Seat 3: ice2601 ($79.40)
Seat 4: rgriff ($80.30)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips ($97.50)
Seat 6: LaineyLaine ($55)
Mrreadchips posts the small blind of $0.50
LaineyLaine posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mrreadchips [8c Ac 7c Ah]
lnb1009 calls $1
Almtom raises to $4.50
ice2601 calls $4.50
rgriff folds
Mrreadchips raises to $20
LaineyLaine folds
lnb1009 folds
Almtom calls $15.50
ice2601 calls $15.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6h Qh]
Mrreadchips bets $62
Almtom calls $62
ice2601 folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 6h Qh] [7d]
Mrreadchips bets $15.50, and is all in
Almtom calls $15.50
Mrreadchips shows [8c Ac 7c Ah]
Almtom shows [3s 4h 5h 2s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 6h Qh 7d] [6s]
Mrreadchips shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Almtom shows a flush, King high
Almtom wins the pot ($214) with a flush, King high
Mrreadchips adds $100
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $217 | Rake $3
Board: [Kh 6h Qh 7d 6s]
Seat 1: lnb1009 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Almtom showed [3s 4h 5h 2s] and won ($214) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: ice2601 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rgriff (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips (small blind) showed [8c Ac 7c Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: LaineyLaine (big blind) folded before the Flop

I know hold'em only players will consider the flop pure spew, but having the ace of the board suit makes that play correct.
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Old Mar 12, 2008, 11:17pm   #6
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Apparently I'm doing it wrong... even after flopping the set I'm fucked.

PokerStars Game #15933794761: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/03/12 - 18:15:34 (ET)
Table 'Hersilia III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: SteveL91 ($105.55 in chips)
Seat 2: cakechaser ($110.25 in chips)
Seat 3: OCVI2003 ($120.60 in chips)
Seat 4: King Arthuro ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Le Geco ($21.70 in chips)
Seat 6: poker lady52 ($158.20 in chips)
King Arthuro: posts small blind $0.50
Le Geco: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OCVI2003 [8s Ac Ah 4s]
poker lady52: calls $1
SteveL91: folds
cakechaser: folds
OCVI2003: calls $1
King Arthuro: raises $4 to $5
Le Geco: folds
poker lady52: folds
OCVI2003: raises $12 to $17
King Arthuro: raises $12.50 to $29.50 and is all-in
OCVI2003: calls $12.50
*** FLOP *** [As 6d 4h]
*** TURN *** [As 6d 4h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [As 6d 4h 3c] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
King Arthuro: shows [7h 5s Ks 6h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
OCVI2003: shows [8s Ac Ah 4s] (three of a kind, Aces)
King Arthuro collected $58 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $61 | Rake $3
Board [As 6d 4h 3c 2c]
Seat 1: SteveL91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cakechaser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: OCVI2003 (button) showed [8s Ac Ah 4s] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: King Arthuro (small blind) showed [7h 5s Ks 6h] and won ($5 with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 5: Le Geco (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: poker lady52 folded before Flop
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Old Mar 15, 2008, 3:19pm   #7
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Full Tilt Poker Game #5607403500: Table Borden (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:11:53 ET - 2008/03/12
Seat 1: lnb1009 ($95.25)
Seat 2: Almtom ($238.30)
Seat 3: ice2601 ($79.40)
Seat 4: rgriff ($80.30)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips ($97.50)
Seat 6: LaineyLaine ($55)
Mrreadchips posts the small blind of $0.50
LaineyLaine posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mrreadchips [8c Ac 7c Ah]
lnb1009 calls $1
Almtom raises to $4.50
ice2601 calls $4.50
rgriff folds
Mrreadchips raises to $20
LaineyLaine folds
lnb1009 folds
Almtom calls $15.50
ice2601 calls $15.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6h Qh]
Mrreadchips bets $62
Almtom calls $62
ice2601 folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 6h Qh] [7d]
Mrreadchips bets $15.50, and is all in
Almtom calls $15.50
Mrreadchips shows [8c Ac 7c Ah]
Almtom shows [3s 4h 5h 2s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 6h Qh 7d] [6s]
Mrreadchips shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Almtom shows a flush, King high
Almtom wins the pot ($214) with a flush, King high
Mrreadchips adds $100
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $217 | Rake $3
Board: [Kh 6h Qh 7d 6s]
Seat 1: lnb1009 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Almtom showed [3s 4h 5h 2s] and won ($214) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: ice2601 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rgriff (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips (small blind) showed [8c Ac 7c Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: LaineyLaine (big blind) folded before the Flop

I know hold'em only players will consider the flop pure spew, but having the ace of the board suit makes that play correct.
I have a question: why does having the ace make the play correct?
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So much for the bare ace bluff - people must think this is hi/lo or something when they 3-bet/call 4-bet 5 high!

Full Tilt Poker Game #5607403500: Table Borden (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:11:53 ET - 2008/03/12
Seat 1: lnb1009 ($95.25)
Seat 2: Almtom ($238.30)
Seat 3: ice2601 ($79.40)
Seat 4: rgriff ($80.30)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips ($97.50)
Seat 6: LaineyLaine ($55)
Mrreadchips posts the small blind of $0.50
LaineyLaine posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mrreadchips [8c Ac 7c Ah]
lnb1009 calls $1
Almtom raises to $4.50
ice2601 calls $4.50
rgriff folds
Mrreadchips raises to $20
LaineyLaine folds
lnb1009 folds
Almtom calls $15.50
ice2601 calls $15.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6h Qh]
Mrreadchips bets $62
Almtom calls $62
ice2601 folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 6h Qh] [7d]
Mrreadchips bets $15.50, and is all in
Almtom calls $15.50
Mrreadchips shows [8c Ac 7c Ah]
Almtom shows [3s 4h 5h 2s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 6h Qh 7d] [6s]
Mrreadchips shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Almtom shows a flush, King high
Almtom wins the pot ($214) with a flush, King high
Mrreadchips adds $100
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $217 | Rake $3
Board: [Kh 6h Qh 7d 6s]
Seat 1: lnb1009 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Almtom showed [3s 4h 5h 2s] and won ($214) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: ice2601 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rgriff (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Mrreadchips (small blind) showed [8c Ac 7c Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: LaineyLaine (big blind) folded before the Flop

I know hold'em only players will consider the flop pure spew, but having the ace of the board suit makes that play correct.
Wouldn't one of them have KKxx and QQxx there a lot for a set? I'd consider this standard in a heads up pot but I think it's spew 3 way. A set or wrap never folds there even if they think you have AA with the nut flush draw.

I could be wrong, you're better at Omaha than me but i'm a winning player at .50/1 and I don't really the flop bet since you're turning your hand into a bluff in a three way pot when your opponents ranges are probably KKxx, QQxx or wraps and a JT wrap, QQ and KK all call you.

I think you get called and dominated here more than half the time. Do you disagree?

Most of your posts are standard suckouts (omg he called with a 2 outer and hit) where you played perfectly but I do think your flop bet is -EV here and you just happened to get called by a player who was behind and sucked out.

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