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Old Aug 07, 2009, 1:15pm   #1
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CO ist 19/15/2.7(33) über 363 Hände.
BTN ist 19/15/3.2(32) über 2.3K Hände, 3bet 6% overall und am BTN 9%.
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Nen Push von BTN calle ich insta, wenn CO pusht und BTN foldet kotze ich und calle trotzdem. Ist wohl high Variance, aber nicht völlig unstandard? Preflop betsize sind 16-18$ besser, wa?

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($57.85)
UTG+1 ($55.60)
CO ($50.00)
BTN ($51.75)
SB ($32.15)
Hero (BB) ($53.80)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB : :
2 folds, CO raises to $2, BTN raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, BTN goes all-in $51.75, Hero calls $36.75
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Old Aug 07, 2009, 1:28pm   #2
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Jo, 16-18 sind besser.
Ok gespielt. TT sollte aber deine absolute Bottom-Range sein um hier broke zu gehn.
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Old Aug 07, 2009, 1:32pm   #3
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TT sollte aber deine absolute Bottom-Range sein um hier broke zu gehn.
Isses definitiv, ich habe nicht enthusiastisch mit dem Penis auf dem Callbutton rumgehämmert.
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Old Aug 07, 2009, 1:42pm   #4
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Isses definitiv, ich habe nicht enthusiastisch mit dem Penis auf dem Callbutton rumgehämmert.
sorry für OT aber
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

der mit abstand großartigste spruch seit ewigkeiten hier
v.a. noch im kontext "bottomrange"
brillant! musste spontan so lachen dass ich aufn monitor gespuckt hab ^^
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nah eher weniger als mehr. du solltest hier so derbe polarized sein dass er eh nie callen kann, also umso weniger um so besser.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

der mit abstand großartigste spruch seit ewigkeiten hier
v.a. noch im kontext "bottomrange"
brillant! musste spontan so lachen dass ich aufn monitor gespuckt hab ^^


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nah eher weniger als mehr. du solltest hier so derbe polarized sein dass er eh nie callen kann, also umso weniger um so besser.
Das gibt mir schon wieder zu denken. Wenn ich doch so polarized sein sollte, kann ich dann gegen gute Gegner nicht ab und zu - for shits and giggles - mit ATC so nen Stunt machen, mit kleinerer Betsize, den Junk folden auf nen Push, und callen mit meiner Top Range? Ich hab das nicht ernsthaft vor, aber der Gedanke hat mich beim Lesen deines Posts sofort angesprungen.
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Ok gespielt. TT sollte aber deine absolute Bottom-Range sein um hier broke zu gehn.
Also ich hab den gesamten Spot mal durchgerechnet und es ist
eff. verdammt close, je nachdem welche shoving range wir co,bzw. btn geben.

Wenn btn und co QQ+,AK shoven sollte es +ev zu sein 4bet/call zu spielen,
wenn beide JJ+,Ak shoven ist das ganze -ev und wenn sie 99+,Ak
wieder + Ev.

Hier die Rechnung dazu:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.413% 36.21% 00.20% 126502032 693396.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 63.587% 63.39% 00.20% 221421192 693396.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Im Pot sind 102.75$ wenn wir callen, macht Ev=37.20-36.75=0.45$.
Eff. riskieren wir damit also 14.05$ um 9.25$ zu gewinnen, unser
bluff muss also in 60,3% der Fälle funktionieren.
Wenn wir annehmen das btn wirklkich 9% 3bettet, pushed btn zu
2.4/9=26.6% und co zu ca. 2.4/25=9.6%.
Also folden beide in 66,6% der Fälle und wir gewinnen
1.44$ im Schnitt.
99 könnte man in dem Fall noch prof. 4bet callen, ansonsten mit
ATC prof. 4bet/fold spielen.
Interessant ist das wenn die Hand auf NL400 gespielt worden
wäre ich dann mit 44+ 4bet/call spielen könnte weil die Rake prozentual
nicht so viel ausmacht.


Gegen JJ+,AK sieht unsere Equity dann so aus:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.654% 33.45% 00.20% 137471700 828360.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 66.346% 66.14% 00.20% 271824540 828360.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Ergibt Ev(call)=-2.1$.
4bet bluffen können wir jetzt auch nicht mehr prof., denn
btn foldet nur noch in 6/9=66.6% und selbst wenn co nur QQ+,Ak
shoved gibt das zusammen immernoch 40% calls -> Ev(bluff)=-0.25$.


Wenn wir jetzt annehmen das co und btn mit 99+,AK
shoven haben wir inetwa 40% equity wenn wir callen und investieren
somit nur noch 10.15$ um 9.25$ zu gewinnen und machen somit durchschnittlich 0.04$ Profit.
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