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Old Jul 18, 2012, 4:58pm   #1
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Going to be playing in small bounty tourney soon, maybe 30 players, $100 buy in with a $20 Bounty.

Never played Bounty, any tips?

One question, is value betting the nuts a worthwhile play or is just shoving for the bounty the way to go?
With close to $1500 to the winner is playing for the $20 bounty short sighted?
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Here's a bounty tournament strategy article I wrote.

Basically, it's okay to care somewhat about the bounty early in the tournament but deeper once you're in the money it should almost never factor into your decision making.
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I think the basic idea is to factor in the value of the bounty as part of figuring out your equity. Or something like that.

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how detailed an answer are you looking for here? how much spew would you like? i can bang on about cEV vs $EV for the next 4 pages if you like?

it's really just another thing to factor into your decision making process, and the players who are best able to estimate their $EV based on their chip positon will fare better than those whose estimates are worse. what can be said in very very broad terms, is that at the start, the value of winning a bounty is going to be pretty close to $20 worth of buyin. towards the end of the tournament it's going to be pretty irrelevant. what can also be said is that most of your opponents are probably going to overcompensate for the extra value of the bounty. exploit this in every direction you can.

so, in the first instance, expect more action than usual. folk are going to play more hands than normal, hang around with them for longer, call more, bet more, raise more. basically they're going to do more of everything except fold.

there are also a few specific situations unique to bounty tournaments. the first is the 3 way pot with someone all in. in regular tournaments this frequently gets checked through unless someone picks up something big, because the value of busting someone is so high compared to the value of playing a side pot. because of the bounty, that sidepot already has some money in it and it's often correct to go after it. but, your opponents are going to go after this waaaaay too often. their little brains will forget that the shortie is going to win this hand a bunch, and that the bountyEV isn't $20 in $EV. expect to play sidepots in these instances.

secondly, be aware of extreme short stacks and their position. a shortie going all in can set off a cascade of callers. so, you might want to widen your isolation reraise range if you're coming in right after him, and you should give greater consideration to the big fuck all y'all get out of my pot move if you're at the end of such a cascade; their hands will be weaker than usual. there's another idea to consider on top of this, which is that you can consider flatting the shortie with a big hand and setting off the cascade, which is extremely valuable if someone else is likely to try to sledgehammer you all out. which line you're taking in these spots obviously depends on the table and the players and blah blah it's a poker decision.

last one. when you find yourself all in with someone, which of you has more chips obviously matters far more than it would in a regular tournament. this is something to be aware of before you find yourself all in, stripping someone down to 10 chips and missing out on his bounty. there's value in keeping yourself a little ahead of the field, be conscious of this when making decisions that would put your stack one side of that line or the other.

i might think of more later, but i'm hungry.

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Here's a bounty tournament strategy article I wrote.

Basically, it's okay to care somewhat about the bounty early in the tournament but deeper once you're in the money it should almost never factor into your decision making.
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some good points, thanks KC
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Calculate the value of the bounty in tournament chips - eg a $10 buyin with a 3k starting stack and $2 bounty, a bounty is worth T600

Add T600 chips to the pot when calculating spots where you win a bounty if you win the pot, play it like a normal tourney beyond that
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Calculate the value of the bounty in tournament chips - eg a $10 buyin with a 3k starting stack and $2 bounty, a bounty is worth T600

Add T600 chips to the pot when calculating spots where you win a bounty if you win the pot, play it like a normal tourney beyond that
That is basically the 800 word article I wrote summarized in two sentences.
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Calculate the value of the bounty in tournament chips - eg a $10 buyin with a 3k starting stack and $2 bounty, a bounty is worth T600

Add T600 chips to the pot when calculating spots where you win a bounty if you win the pot, play it like a normal tourney beyond that
That is basically the 800 word article I wrote summarized in two sentences.
Shame it's bollocks really.

(i) cEV almost never = $EV.
(ii) you shouldn't be "playing it like a normal tourney" because nobody else is, and you must adjust to their adjustments.

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