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Old Nov 28, 2012, 8:51pm   #1
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Villain ist nen midstakes crusher auf stars. Spielt 33/27 mit 14% 3bet. Er 4bettet ne 3.7% range (HM2!) was mir für seinen style recht wenig scheint. (10k hands sample).

Dachte ich kann QQ/KQ reppen und seine range sollte bei AK capped sein.


Stacks:
UTG ($200) 100bb
UTG+1 ($339.92) 170bb
CO ($670.88) 335bb
BTN ($1,308.53) 654bb
SB ($218) 109bb
Hero (BB) ($455.48) 228bb

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, BTN raises to $4.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17.50, BTN raises to $44, Hero calls $26.50

Flop: ($89, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($89, 2 players)
Hero bets $48, BTN calls $48

River: ($185, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $108, Hero goes all-in $363.48
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:07am   #2
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Finds gut postflop (turn würde ich ~54 betten), allerdings folde ich das sehr oft preflop so deep auf seine 4bet.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:16am   #3
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Preflop gefällt mir nicht so. 4bet OOP callen..meeeh
Spielst du KQ pre auch so?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 11:39am   #4
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Lieber stelle ich hier pre mit JJ preflop 220 bb rein als auf die 4bet zu folden. Folden? Wie soll das gehen? Ich 3bette 20% in dem spot, da kann ich nicht JJ folden.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:15pm   #5
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Lieber stelle ich hier pre mit JJ preflop 220 bb rein als auf die 4bet zu folden. Folden? Wie soll das gehen? Ich 3bette 20% in dem spot, da kann ich nicht JJ folden.
Wie ist dann dein Plan auf den verschiedenen Flops?
Ich persönlich hab dann bei Q,K oder A auf dem Flop immer Probleme, vorallem weil ich OOP bin.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 12:55pm   #6
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Lieber stelle ich hier pre mit JJ preflop 220 bb rein als auf die 4bet zu folden. Folden? Wie soll das gehen? Ich 3bette 20% in dem spot, da kann ich nicht JJ folden.
Wie ist dann dein Plan auf den verschiedenen Flops?
Ich persönlich hab dann bei Q,K oder A auf dem Flop immer Probleme, vorallem weil ich OOP bin.
Wir callen hier ja $26 für $62 bei > $400 eff. stacks. Da kann man sogar fast auf set-value callen. $26 callen um $62 direkt zu gewinnen bedeutet auch, dass man relativ oft einfach am flop aufgeben darf wenn er jetzt AQK oder so kommt.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 3:04pm   #7
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Auf den meisten flops kann man doch mind. 2x callen. Sehe da kein Problem mit JJ.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 5:48pm   #8
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Sehr schöne Hand. Denke pre ist das tendenziell das einzig sinnvolle Play, wenn man nicht gerade ne krasse Dynamik hat.
Bisschen shorter mit ner relativ aggressiven Dynamik würde ich das auch recht häufig mit QQ reinstellen wollen, wobei man auf Zoom sicher nicht allzu schnell solche Dynamiken aufbaut wie an den regular Tables.
Wie schätzt ihr seine 4betting Range in dem partikulären Spot ein? Finde da fehlen den Trackern noch einige interessante Geschichten für solche Daten.

Flop würde ich check folden, da er kompetent ist und Position hat. Da haben wir nicht viel EV mit JJ, eher noch mit AK denk ich.
Wie thin vbettest du den Turn? Sind 99 noch ne Bet? Falls ja, dann ändert sich seine maximally exploitive strategy am Flop sehr schnell in Richtung dünne vbets abgreifen (gegeben du foldest OOP sonst). Der Read sollte sich allerdings recht schnell etablieren.

Turn kann ein bisschen größer, aber find ich ok so. Würde da auch keine Size über 62 haben wollen schätz ich und das nur mit Sets und FDs.

River ist check/raise ein Traum. Wenn du nicht pre superviel 3bet/callst, hast du da sicherlich n Checkraise mit jeder Hand in deiner Range und die Chancen stehen gut, dass er trotzdem falsche Frequencies für checkback, bet/call und bet/fold hat.


Btw, wer ist denn Villain?
Und wie läufts für dich auf Zoom 200 so?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 5:50pm   #9
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Und wie läufts für dich auf Zoom 200 so?
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river selber betten ist nicht so abwegig

dann zu jammen ist ok aber da musst du sehr vorsichtig sein dass du nicht zu oft bluffst. du hast kaum value hands und das sizing ist klein.

praktisch wuerd ich da nicht bluff jammen, er foldet zu selten was besseres. Denke fast es ist wahrscheinlicher er hero callt was schlechteres als dass er AK foldet :/


pre is ok klar
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