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Old Jul 09, 2005, 8:48pm   #51
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This is going to upset you terribly and trust that it won't start a war, but I support Man U. Yeah, I know they are hated, but my Mom is from there and well, I had no choice. Have followed them closely since Cantona came from Leeds.
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Old Jul 09, 2005, 9:45pm   #52
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Most N American football fans support them too, so I'm not exactly apoplectic with rage. Cantona was an amzing footballer - not only was he a wonderful player, he could also quote 19th century Symbolist poetry. Compare with the Neville brothers!
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Old Jul 09, 2005, 10:53pm   #53
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As I like when posts are hi-jacked, I will continue. I don't know, Liverpool has a larger following among people over 30 in Canada, or at least that is my experience. I am not sure of the U.S., seems split.

Ironic for me a French hater that I liked Cantona so much, an amazing player and person, unless you were a fan that taunted him.
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Old Jul 09, 2005, 11:18pm   #54
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I suspect the OP has long since abandoned this thread.

Given you rate Cantona so highly, would you agree that Rooney is his heir apparent (even down to the temperament)?
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yes, that's called a bad beat, you suck it up and get on with it. you can only play the hands you're dealt, innit.
How do you get on with it? You're fucking dead and the game is over. No rebuys there. Name me a poker game where it's standard to bring all you own to the table with you, and go all in with it.
the key is in realising that i wasn't being entirely serious...but think of heaven as a casino bar where nobody tells bad beat stories.

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unger was primarily a stud player, life is a flop game.
He won the WSOP twice (beating Brunson heads up in the process), so that makes him a pretty fucking good Hold Em player, surely?
now this one, i think it was pretty obvious i was kidding.

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rogue readings.

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I will remind you that pretty soon you're probably going to have some entertaining prostate problems.

Yeah well, shit happens (or in this case, piss doesn't).
gets better, if you get prostate cancer you might get to piss blood.

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Making ageist comments are pointless for the obvious reason that it's something that happens to everyone. Anyway, I've long been looking forward to my impending senility. Take it from me, the best times of your life are when you're young and (I'm relying on this) when you're old. The bit in the middle is shite (by comparison). When you're young or old you can behave exactly as you like and people humour you. I never saw my grandad look so happy as when he was pissing in the nursing home lift, with all the nurse laughing.
and my great grandad was never happier than the day he recieved his cheque from you've been framed for the video of your grandad

i don't know about this bit in the middle being shit thing...i suspect in many cases it's burnout, other cases it's where things catch up with you. the middle of life is when it's easiest for things to go to bollocks, my plan is to skip the period from about 35-65 and go straight for retirement, possibly to a coastal town in lancashire.

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i wish my city had an enormous bullseye drawn on it, man it sucks not having to wonder if I'm going to die every time I go into town.
'Twas a joke, bombs are crap really. I thought that was clear from other posts.
it was, that's why my reply was also a joke, geddit?

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Woop bloody woop. Probably not the best boast to make to someone brought up by a proper classically trained pianist (ie top music college),
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oooh, hark at you. my dad was a biochemist but that doesn't make me one.
I was merely pointing out that your interpreted boast was unlikely to impress, given my background.
that presupposes it was a boast, it wasn't, i'm a crap violinist. i never got past page 5 where you have to start playing arco, that's why i became a guitarist. i'll take two more strings if all i have to do is pluck.

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Old Jul 10, 2005, 1:34pm   #56
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the key is in realising that i wasn't being entirely serious...i think it was pretty obvious i was kidding.
I doubt you'd accept the "oh, I was only joking" cop out from someone else, and I won't accept it from you. Let's recap briefly, you can admit you were wrong, and we can move on to more important stuff where I intend to bore you rigid with a potted history of me, below (which is where I tried to come in about 150,000 words ago )

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poker is a microcosm of life. people who play poker well also live well.
Non sequitur
justify this.
I did. Now you either have to accept your error, or show why the scenarios I posted don't bust your theory. Another non-response from you forfeits the game.

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i don't know about this bit in the middle being shit thing
True, so listen to someone who might.

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...i suspect in many cases it's burnout
some, but not so many

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other cases it's where things catch up with you.
Ah, that's more like it. This is exactly the phrase I use to describe it to people.

You asked "who are you anyway"... here's part of the answer:

[draws a deeeeeeep breath before continuing...]

If their family hasn't inflicted emotional scarring on people, then school will often plug that gap. Either way, a huge number of youngish people are walking around with deep seated emotional problems that they learn to "live" with, ie they don't allow them to affect their daily lives too much.

They go through their 20's having a great time, doing whatever pleases them most, getting pissed and shagging as often as they can (hopefully), thinking it's one great ball that will last forever and that 25, being a quarter of a century, is somehow a milestone (it isn't, it's just a number). Their emotional problems remain buried throughout and rarely, if ever, surface. Then, often sometime in their 30's, it all catches up with them.

Most of this was true in my case. Then I hit my 30's, started getting medical problems (caused by my "lifestyle", as the specialist euphemistically put it), which forced me to slow down (this was rather unfortunate, as my extended drinking and drug taking career was quite spectacular, if I say so myself, and spreading the word of social anarchy across much of London with my partner in crime was probably one of my greater "achievements"; this being before the current devaluation of debauchery through its adoption in typically regimented form by suburban yobs).

Having been let down by my constitution, I needed a Plan B, but didn't have one. What I did have was a dead end job and a cheap council flat in a very, very rough estate in Brixton (burgled six times in five years, mugged twice, escaped a third time).

Worse still was the disintegration of my relationship with my mother which brought about the onset of a deepening depression that would last several years until I realised I'd reached the point of no return, needed confirmation from an independent person that my diagnosis was correct, and finally plucked up the courage to talk to a counsellor, at the age of 33.

She confirmed that, yes my current problems were directly attributable to various family dysfunctions going back to year dot, no, I didn't owe either of my parents any damn thing, and, even better, that I shoudn't feel guilty about any of it. After a few sessions I started to feel better. Then I discovered Christianity and the Eternal Love of Our Good Lord.

(Only joking )

My new-found confidence led to me use the lump sum from a voluntary redundancy to pay off the massive debts accrued during the previous 15 years of hedonism. I taught myself some programming languages (I've always shunned formal education, probably the inevitable result of a rebellious spirit and teacher parents), and finally got a job as an IT contractor in the halcyon days before Y2K.

So, I guess all I've achieved is to have dug myself out of a very deep hole that for a while threatened to close in on me permanently. Myonce divorced and once widowed mum and I have rebuilt our relationship, and she's financially secure. I'd love to be able to help my dad out (academics are often hopeless with money), but they're managing ok, and now I'm no longer contracting my priorities are with providing Melanie and the kids with some stability and fun... never forget the fun factor... though I do worry about what a world carved out by the people who trained the performing monkey Bush, will be like in years to come.

Anyway, the moral of the story is threefold: the road of excess really does lead to the palace of wisdom; always have a Plan B; the shit is rarely far from the fan.

Anyone still awake?
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Cantona was an amzing footballer - not only was he a wonderful player, he could also quote 19th century Symbolist poetry.
and kick innocent bystanders in the face.

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the key is in realising that i wasn't being entirely serious...i think it was pretty obvious i was kidding.
I doubt you'd accept the "oh, I was only joking" cop out from someone else,
you seriously think i didn't know who stu unger was? that's like you not knowing who Steve Ferguson is!

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poker is a microcosm of life. people who play poker well also live well.
Non sequitur
justify this.
I did.
mm, no you didn't, but in return for your forfeit threat you lose if you choose this sentence to reply to rather than the quotation below

incidentally there's an argument to be made that this isn't a non sequitur because it isn't a point of logic, if you wanted to fit it into such a framework it would come in as a premise and as such cannot be a non sequitur, since a non sequitur relies on a premise

it could also be argued that the entire last paragraph was designed entirely to confuse onlookers.

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Now you either have to accept your error, or show why the scenarios I posted don't bust your theory. Another non-response from you forfeits the game.
In that case I'm going to break the first rule of internet discussion, and I'm just going to end the argument by quoting an authority.

"Eric Berne MD, the author of Games People Play was an avid poker player. He used to say that he could always tell a winner from a loser in life by the way he played poker" - James A McKenna, "Beyond Tells"

Locate book, read, then come back to me.

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i don't know about this bit in the middle being shit thing
True, so listen to someone who might.
woo, that almost qualifies as a cheap shot, although it's just as likely to be an own goal.

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other cases it's where things catch up with you.
Ah, that's more like it. This is exactly the phrase I use to describe it to people.
right so it appears that I do know about this bit in the middle thing, and don't need to listen to you? Of course I wouldn't be able to get this knife in if you hadn't set yourself up with that "listen to someone who knows" shit

I'll afford you the same respect you showed my life story, I shan't disect it and am glad to hear you're in a good place

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Old Jul 11, 2005, 8:00am   #59
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you seriously think i didn't know who stu unger was? that's like you not knowing who Steve Ferguson is!
No, but having found what I thought might be a refutation I wanted a better argument from you than simply pretending he wasn't an HE player.

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"Eric Berne MD, the author of Games People Play was an avid poker player. He used to say that he could always tell a winner from a loser in life by the way he played poker" - James A McKenna, "Beyond Tells"
Since when has "avid" meant "good"? I'm not saying he wasn't, but I'm not convinced by this alone.

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Of course I wouldn't be able to get this knife in if you hadn't set yourself up with that "listen to someone who knows" shit
Humble pie time - rereading it now, it does come across as supercilious. When you try to respond point by point, your thinking can become, as you might put it, discombobulated. It wasn't meant that way at the time of writing.

It might not be clear that the impetus behind the waffle I've produced in this thread was well-intentioned. There's been an occasional feeling of familiarity with some of your posts. As your IQ is probably at least 30-40 points higher than mine is now, I guess you're within your rights to regard me as a retard or a dimlow(?) or whatever, but I didn't want someone to scramble their brains to the extent that I did. At least, not until I've finished picking them.

I did too much acid too often and still get occasional flashbacks, which would be entertaining if they didn't come when I least need them (the last one was in a job interview ). People should make their own choices in life, but (as in poker ), the more information they have, the better.
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you seriously think i didn't know who stu unger was? that's like you not knowing who Steve Ferguson is!
No, but having found what I thought might be a refutation I wanted a better argument from you than simply pretending he wasn't an HE player.
well then the analogy to use is that he's being cold decked irl

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"Eric Berne MD, the author of Games People Play was an avid poker player. He used to say that he could always tell a winner from a loser in life by the way he played poker" - James A McKenna, "Beyond Tells"
Since when has "avid" meant "good"? I'm not saying he wasn't, but I'm not convinced by this alone.
you don't need to be, i have no idea who the dude is but i enjoy the layers of quoting quotations. it's probably quicker to just read the book and draw your own conclusions than to try and work out who eric is

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Of course I wouldn't be able to get this knife in if you hadn't set yourself up with that "listen to someone who knows" shit
Humble pie time - rereading it now, it does come across as supercilious. When you try to respond point by point, your thinking can become, as you might put it, discombobulated. It wasn't meant that way at the time of writing.
yeah but this has become far more lighthearted the last few posts so we can just leave it for juanita the maid to clean up.

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It might not be clear that the impetus behind the waffle I've produced in this thread was well-intentioned. There's been an occasional feeling of familiarity with some of your posts. As your IQ is probably at least 30-40 points higher than mine is now, I guess you're within your rights to regard me as a retard or a dimlow(?) or whatever, but I didn't want someone to scramble their brains to the extent that I did. At least, not until I've finished picking them.
*thumbs up*

and i still don't understand what dimlow is meant to mean...maybe it means you're energy saving?

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I did too much acid too often and still get occasional flashbacks, which would be entertaining if they didn't come when I least need them (the last one was in a job interview ). People should make their own choices in life, but (as in poker ), the more information they have, the better.
and it helps if you can see the other guy's cards!

everyone's going to be pissed now that the entertainment has concluded and we're all being nice again maybe we should pick on the americans some more?

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