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Old Aug 11, 2005, 12:24am   #1
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Weird goings-on last night for me.

I decided to play 2 1-table SNGs at Party. This being Party, the tables filled quick, and I lucked out and caught the button on both tables at the same time.

First hand on one table-- I am dealt 27o, and fold. SB raises, BB reraises, one limper and the SB call. Flop comes down 2-2-x, all 3 wind up going all-in... and losing to the limper who had A-2.

For the next two hands at that table, however, since both the SB and BB busted out, I held on to the button. Or rather, Party let me keep it. I didn't immediately notice it at the time, but then I thought "Huh? That can't be right..."

In a tournament situation such as that, where both blinds are knocked out in the same hand, shouldn't the button advance normally?

(For the record, I busted out of both of them, out of the money, and both times holding AA. )
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 2:11am   #2
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... since both the SB and BB busted out, I held on to the button. Or rather, Party let me keep it. I didn't immediately notice it at the time, but then I thought "Huh? That can't be right..."

In a tournament situation such as that, where both blinds are knocked out in the same hand, shouldn't the button advance normally?
No. It looks like the button is moving, but it is really just following the big blind.

If you think of the big blind moving this is much easier, I've found.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 2:12am   #3
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I think that most tournaments have a constantly moving button, so the button should've moved. This is different from ring games in which the button moves to make sure everyone pays their SB and BB each round.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 5:36am   #4
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No. It looks like the button is moving, but it is really just following the big blind.

If you think of the big blind moving this is much easier, I've found.
Let me break it down hand-by-hand as it played out so that it's clear:

Hand 1: I have the button, SB and BB of the hand are knocked out.
Hand 2: I have the button, UTG of hand 1 pays BB. (Button not advanced, no SB)
Hand 3: I have the button, UTG of hand 1 pays SB, UTG of hand 2 pays BB.

If I'm UTG in hand 1, I want the button in hand 2, hand 3 at the latest. I sure as hell don't want someone holding it for 3 hands straight before I get it on hand 4 when there's been nobody between me and the button since the end of hand 1.

Interestingly enough, as I reviewed the hand history, nobody at the table remarked on the lack of button movement either. I looked at the Stars tournament rules page, and they don't operate their tournaments in a similar fashion (the button always moves).
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