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Old Oct 24, 2005, 10:10am   #61
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Old Oct 24, 2005, 11:44am   #62
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Naja, der 88 call ist ok. Implied odds sind hoch.
Hm, xen, mag sein, dass ich hierf alsch liege, aber ich sehe es vollkommen anders. Die Situation, mit der die Eingangsfrage "was lernen wir daraus" verknüpft war, ist ja bis auf den Turn das perfekte Bespiel dafür, was einem mit medium Paar nach einem solchen EP Raise coldcall passieren kann. Wenn der Turn nicht sein 1 Outer ist, verliert er hier seinen kompletten Stack. Dass er in ca. 80 von 100 Fällen gegen ein Overpair verliert brauche ich dir nicht erzählen. Ein 4BB aus EP signalisiert für mich in den meisten Fällen ein ebensolches = -EV.
Also, erstmal ist nicht immer klar das er auf einem Overpair ist.
Er kann AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, AA-99 oder gar KJs haben.

In dem Falle er hat kein Paar ist man kleiner Favorit, ist dies nicht der Fall muss man ja auch noch einschätzen das sich Wert seiner Hand mit dem flop drastisch verändert.

Deshalb meine Bemerkung zu den Implied odds.
Zwar ist ein overpair 4:1 Favorit, treffe ich allerdings mein 1 in 9 event das set ist es hat er auch nur 1 in 9 mal selbst ein Set.

Also jedesmal wenn ich mein Set treffe ist die Warscheinlichkeit 1:8 für mich das er kein overset hat.
Wenn der flop noch mit kleinen Karten ist hat man oft die nuts.
Es ist schwierig ein Overpair zu folden, ein schwacher Spieler schafft es vielleicht nie und da kommen die Implied odds ins Spiel.

Wenn man ihm ein guten Teil (oder gar den ganzen) seinen Stacks wegnimmt so ist das postflopplay +++EV, dazu hat man eine wesentlich kleinere -EV Entscheidung preflop getroffen.

Die Frage ist halt, ob die Implied odds so hoch sind, das sie den -EV von der Prefloprunde in der Summe aller Ereignisse übersteigt und ich denke dies ist mit 88 oft der Fall.
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So, mir isses dann auch mal passiert.



Er ist im Turn all-in gegangen, war nicht schwierig, zu callen. Ich hab mich hinterher auch brav entschuldigt, und er hats auch locker genommen, sehr angenehm.

Garso, ich hab leider nicht die geringste Ahnung wer das ist...aber heiss, oder?
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 11:11pm   #66
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