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Old Oct 27, 2006, 5:22pm   #1
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The thread kind of went in two directions in my absence, so I'll continue with my half of the topic here.

1) I have no problem with microstakes players. I was a microstake player at one time. But there are traps that you have to avoid in the poker world if you want to not be a microstake player forever or at least limit the time you spend there. And the biggest is your attitude towards your own game.

2) Pros do not have rigid methods of playing. I think Moli said that a pro couldn't sit down at a microlimit game and just play his normal game. But the reality is, normal is situational, and they would sit down and play how they would normally play against folks who play at microlimits. Its an incredibly fluid game, and at some point you are going to find yourself at a table between a guy who has won 100's of thousands of dollars online, and a guy who thinks A3s is good enough to go allin with preflop. Playing profitably is the normal game for good players.

3) A reality of microlimit, is that some people don't know/don't care how to play and don't care about the money. I'm sure this happens at every level. I know I play with a couple guys who wont fold a flush draw because they are there to have fun....and its fun to see if you can catch the flush draw. If I didn't care about the money, I'd do the same thing too. And when I hit, some angry pokerplayer would call me names, and then run to his local poker forum and post how 'donks' never fold. Personally, it doesn't matter to me. I've been to vegas, and I got my money in with the worst of it in a variety of card, dice, and slot games. I did it because gambling is fun. So why the hell would I judge someone else for doing the same thing just because I'm playing the not so fun way.

Another question as vegas relates to poker, is why doesn't the owner come down and call the winner of a million dollar jackpot off their casino a fucking luckbox piece of shit? Puzzling anamoly.

4) I enjoy making numbered lists.

5) Poker Forums and You. This is the most relevant one I suspect. There seem to be two goals that people come into pokerforums for.

a) The first is to find other people to stroke your ego, and act superior/important with. Basically rec.poker.com (does anyone really care about Russ G?). You do it by posting:

i) badbeats with titles like "Fu@King Donks".
ii) Bad beats pretending to be strategy questions with titles like "Could I have gotten away from this? " (generally you call a preflop reraise allin with AA against 84 and lose or something of that nature.)
iii) And last but not least hands where someone else did something really stupid and you took their money. (Haha, idiots!)
***All stories in which you lose must be followed with how you took their stack later on***

b) The second is community helping eachother get better. By and far, pokertips is the most heavily 'trying to get better' site I've come accross. These threads tend to be a little different:

i) How do you handle X in situation Y.
ii) How would you have played this hand (when there are actually different answers)
iii) Discussions of shortcomings and failures.
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The telling difference between a and b is that in A, the hero is always the better player. And of course, if you''re superior, you can't be getting outplayed or making mistakes at $10 NL.

And in B, you're always the player who isn't the best. Whether you got outplayed at the table, or think others can find answers better than yours. Its basically taking a position of humility. I'm not sure if thats even allowed on the internet.
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And thats what it comes down to. Who do you want to be? A) is fine. Acehole will certainly be more than willing to join you to laugh at the inferiors. And then if you're lucky he'll slip in another story about how he's won a katrillion dollars, and everyone fears him because he's sooo unpredictable. He's certainly won a lot more money than me, and thanks to his presence on the forums, I've learned 1) You can in fact be 100% sure of what someone has soley by reading a hand history. 2) Be arbitrarily and wrecklessly aggressive...unless the hand history contains results that show this would be a mistake, in which case I would fold.

Right now, I would say that when you post, you should ask yourself...Will Ishbu3116 respond? It seems vary from time to time, but I'd say Ishbu is the best player who's responding to the most strategy threads at the moment...and you want to take advantage of that. Thats why people should come here. But you have to be willing to take an objective look at your game instead of trying to pat yourself on the back or else you'll go nowhere.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 6:20pm   #2
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I understand what you're saying.

I didn't post that hand to have my ego boosted, i posted it because it was one of the craziest calls i've ever seen. If the guy had a PP or even bottom pair on the board i'd've left it but king high was enough for me to mock him and post the HH. As wrong as that may be.

With regards to your stereotyping posters bit. I'd say i'm a little from column A and a little from B. I do post relevant HH's when i need help or opinions, but i also post interesting hands. The fact that you've been there and done it shouldn't cloud your judgement to the fact that i haven't, and i find these retards funny.

In all honesty i wasn't really that pissed off with your original response. You made a valid point about my attitude on the tables and it seemed to me to just be stern words of advice coming from someone who's currently doing what i'm trying to do. If ya follow. The only thing was that i'd well and truely eaten humble pie earlier on in the thread and you came along and shoved your fingers down my throat to make me puke it back up again.

I appreciate the good advice i get on these forums, i get annoyed by the bad advice, but most of it's good. I'd just ask you to refrain from the psychoanalysis in the future. And thanks for declining my friend request on myspace you bumhole! But your blogs are quite funny so i'll let you off.......smartass.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 6:21pm   #3
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1. Hmm I wonder why I never get angry at your posts? It may be becasue I feel sorry you were born without a soul, it must of been tough growing up in a world without laughter...

2. I dont think katrillion is accurate

3. Your right number lists are fun (acehole <---shakes head and pitys man with no soul)

4. Did I give you a bad beat somewhere in your life? I often have the worst hand when the money goes in, I just run very lucky.

5. Laughing at others is what America is all about, or it is about the rights of individual freedoms I get that one confused sometimes...

6. Is it the no soul thing that got you so peeved, if so, I am sorry .
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 6:36pm   #4
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I do agree with you re: Ishbu Notjitsu. I'm always pleased to get advice off him and his advice has always been useful (although that said he's prone to a "lol idiot" as well...just check my "nut low no g00t" post)

Moli does have it right on the front that there are some moves and plays that high stakes players make which simply don't work at Micros. If you read Holdem for Advanced Players and then try to implement the more difficult/tricky strategies that work at 20/40-50/100 you'll more than likely get the hell beat out of you, why do you think SSHE was released? They are totally different game sthat require different approaches. You're also right that a pro will be good enough to adapt anyway and that's why they make money.

I don't think the owner comes down becasue he's got 45,000 tables open at once and got bad beat on one of them

I try geniunely to be a b) here, and at least in the Limit sense I think I'm doing ok there, but occasionally it's amusing to be an a). Yes at the end of the day I want to make money at poker, although going pro isn't anything that interests me, but i want it to be something I enjoy doing which is why I'm gonna play in the micro get together an enjoy it.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 7:00pm   #5
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And last but not least hands where someone else did something really stupid and you took their money. (Haha, idiots!)
Jeesh... now I feel guilty for my last post.

I most certainly agree with your philosphy that the main purpose of this (or any) forum should be to constructively analyze our games and help each other get better. That was the sole reason I joined this forum- to get better. I didn't join so I could piss and moan like an impotent jerk over every bad beat I take. I certainly didn't join to berate other players with whose collective intelligence you couldn't tie your shoes with, without drooling all over yourself first (as some seem to view their opponents). So I am buying what you are selling here.

I can honestly say that in the short time I have belonged to this forum I have become a much better player and have been the benefactor of some good advice and support. 2 People who stand out in this regard are ishbu, and cbone.

As you may have derrived from my 1st paragraph, I also don't like the chronic bad beat posters, or players who are completely condescending to other players all the time (this really irks me)

However, poker life involves more than just analyzing strategy. Grinding it out can be exacberatingly fustrating sometimes, so I think its ok to use the poker stories section as a release here. (isn't that its purpose?) If you occasionally want to post a bad beat or cooler, or illustrate a ridiculous play an opponent made, (provided you are not overly malicious) and give us a good chuckle- I think thats ok. IMHO.

But if that's a player's sole contribution to the forum, well, maybe that's not ok.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 7:08pm   #6
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However, poker life involves more than just analyzing strategy. Grinding it out can be exacberatingly fustrating sometimes, so I think its ok to use the poker stories section as a release here. (isn't that its purpose?) If you occasionally want to post a bad beat or cooler, or illustrate a ridiculous play an opponent made, (provided you are not overly malicious) and give us a good chuckle- I think thats ok. IMHO.

But if that's a player's sole contribution to the forum, well, maybe that's not ok.

Well said...I couldnt agree more
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 8:39pm   #7
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There's obviously some generalizations involved. But an unbalanced focus on how bad some of your opponents are is symptematic of several larger problems and often leads to severely stunted growth.

I saw it at every step in the ladder online. Or maybe I'm making it all up. One or the other most likely.

And its a wellknown fact that I'm wildly hilarious.
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I saw it at every step in the ladder online. Or maybe I'm making it all up. One or the other most likely.

And its a wellknown fact that I'm wildly hilarious.

Did you just make a joke? My image of you is totally blown...

My turn I have sat at a table with players I thought were better then me..
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 10:43pm   #9
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I agree with ktownmatti. No one wants to read threads after threads about bad beats or how some guy played amazingly bad - but I think there should be room for a little laughter also. The reason why your former post made me a little mad was because I'm so tried of people making fun at me for playing low stakes poker - telling me that only morons play nickel and dime poker. Your retard comment didn't make it any better. I'm truely trying to be a better player and I'm getting a lot of help from this forum.

I'm still so bad that I can give no advice to others but I really appreciate others taking time to give me advice.
So what I'm really trying to say is: I'll take a little of A and a lot of B

Sorry I called you arrogant - nice that you joined the NL10 tables. Just don't take too much of my money.
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You misread the original post a bit which makes the reaction justifiable. "Retards play nickel poker" = there are retards who play nickel poker. For example, the guy who called off all his money with King high. Not people who play nickel poker are all retards.
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