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Old Jun 01, 2007, 7:10pm   #1
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FT of a live MTT 8 players left hero is CL and on the button, villian is 3rd in chips and the BB.

Hero 3X BB raise after action is folded to him with 5c 6c

Villian calls with 8d 8h

Flop 3c 4c 5s

Villian bets out hero moves in villian calls. Hero loses. Question is, even though I am rather big favorite, I never really had the best hand, so is this technically a bad beat?
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Old Jun 01, 2007, 7:52pm   #2
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This is a semantic argument about what "bad beat" means so there isn't a right answer. Nevertheless...

My personal view is that you did in fact have the best hand on the flop. Hold'em is a seven card game so who's hand is "best" or "ahead" should be measured in terms of equity not who would win if the game rules were suddenly changed and a winner was declared at the flop.

So if you consider a 65/35 beat a bad beat then yes.
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Old Jun 01, 2007, 8:00pm   #3
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This is a semantic argument about what "bad beat" means so there isn't a right answer. Nevertheless...

My personal view is that you did in fact have the best hand on the flop. Hold'em is a seven card game so who's hand is "best" or "ahead" should be measured in terms of equity not who would win if the game rules were suddenly changed and a winner was declared at the flop.

So if you consider a 65/35 beat a bad beat then yes.

Your correct the question is purly about symantecs, and I curious about what PTippers think on the subject.
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Old Jun 01, 2007, 8:19pm   #4
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A mild bad beat I'd say. It's like AQ vs KJ preflop.
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Old Jun 01, 2007, 8:31pm   #5
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A mild bad beat I'd say. It's like AQ vs KJ preflop.

I perfer comparing it to Ac 5c vs Kd Kh AI preflop. Somehow the KK one seems worse .
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I perfer comparing it to Ac 5c vs Kd Kh AI preflop. Somehow the KK one seems worse .
It is slightly worse and probably a bit closer
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