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Old Jun 07, 2007, 2:32am   #1
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Default $5 SnG, need some help

A few hands from some SnG's i have played recently, i need someone to help me out and identify holes!!! I'm currently doing as many of these as i can, to see how i go. I'd like to keep this thread updated with HH's of questionable hands, so more will come. THANKS!

#1: Not a regular hand as it was checked through to eliminate the short stack, how horrible was my preflop play?


PokerStars Game #10308213404: Tournament #52231734, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/06/06 - 21:20:14 (ET)
Table '52231734 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: aabud (2045 in chips)
Seat 2: DarthSpades (635 in chips)
Seat 3: Keira_&_us (4975 in chips)
Seat 5: BP_247 (605 in chips)
Seat 6: Watt191 (1195 in chips)
Seat 7: niatoufou (2725 in chips)
Seat 8: iceickle (1320 in chips)
DarthSpades: posts small blind 50
Keira_&_us: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [As 9h]
BP_247: folds
Watt191: calls 100
niatoufou: folds
iceickle: raises 300 to 400
aabud: folds
DarthSpades: raises 235 to 635 and is all-in
Keira_&_us: calls 535
Watt191: folds
iceickle: calls 235
*** FLOP *** [6s Ts Kd]
Keira_&_us: checks
iceickle: checks
*** TURN *** [6s Ts Kd] [Kh]
Keira_&_us: checks
iceickle: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s Ts Kd Kh] [9d]
Keira_&_us: checks
iceickle: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***



#2: I just know my call was terrible.... i figured, at this stage sink or swim

PokerStars Game #10308355133: Tournament #52231591, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/06/06 - 21:29:08 (ET)
Table '52231591 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: sertullio (5910 in chips)
Seat 5: iceickle (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: freeride550 (1635 in chips)
Seat 8: RioRaider60 (1605 in chips)
Seat 9: PfOaKcEeR (1970 in chips)
sertullio: posts small blind 75
iceickle: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [7h Kh]
freeride550: calls 150
RioRaider60: folds
PfOaKcEeR: folds
sertullio: calls 75
iceickle: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d 5h]
sertullio: checks
iceickle: bets 450
freeride550: raises 1035 to 1485 and is all-in
sertullio: folds
iceickle: calls 1035
*** TURN *** [Ah 9d 5h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9d 5h 5s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***


#3 I didn't like pushing here, but i was short stacked and had been SUPER card dead, after 40 hands on this table i think this was my second best hand. Villain was 35VPIP, 18PRF and 1.3 agr, so i figured his range was fairly wide

PokerStars Game #10308966523: Tournament #52235071, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/06/06 - 22:07:48 (ET)
Table '52235071 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: kosamm (3615 in chips)
Seat 5: iceickle (1490 in chips)
Seat 6: tlgib1 (1330 in chips)
Seat 7: A1BOMBER (1870 in chips)
Seat 8: JohnnyCat5 (3845 in chips)
Seat 9: guodelcnu (1350 in chips)
iceickle: posts small blind 50
tlgib1: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [Kh Jd]
A1BOMBER said, "yup"
A1BOMBER said, "and 4 others"
A1BOMBER said, "shhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
A1BOMBER: raises 200 to 300
JohnnyCat5: folds
guodelcnu: folds
kosamm: folds
iceickle: raises 1190 to 1490 and is all-in
tlgib1: folds
A1BOMBER: calls 1190
*** FLOP *** [9d 5s 3c]
*** TURN *** [9d 5s 3c] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [9d 5s 3c Tc] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

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Old Jun 07, 2007, 3:56am   #2
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Hand 1: Shove that preflop.
Hand 2: Check for a free card, because someone is likely to have an ace, and now you are committed(well you have pretty good odds now)
Hand 3: I dont know what all those digits mean, but if he has a high amount of pfr does that mean he is raising a lot in position, or anywhere on the table?? UTG raise kind of makes me want to chuck the KJ
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Old Jun 07, 2007, 6:04am   #3
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All those digits were what i looked at as i told myself not to respect his UTG raise- at least in this aspect i made the right call (showdown to be posted later)

VPIP - voluntarily put $ into pot, he was loose
PFR - pre flop raise, he was raising alot
agr is agression, i think this is about a medium aggression number
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Old Jun 07, 2007, 6:41am   #4
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Turns out i need more help than i thought... After 23 games (teeny tiny sample i know) my ROI is -%18.18.... this makes me miserable, i have failed. Ive wasted a chunk of my bankroll, and am not comfortably rolled for $5 SnG anymore, but i don't want to waste time on the $1 ones... I want to believe this was a bad swing, and i did get some sick beats (set over set, and KK ran into AA twice in an hour) but i'm not convinced.

What would you recommend? I'm thinking maybe the $3.40FR turbo or $3.25 6max turbo. fee on the full ring is kinda high, but i'm not sure how i would go at 6-max SnG... is the strategy even the same? (tight early then loosen up)

SNG Wizard tells me i don't make too many mistakes, at most one or two per game (when shortstacked) but apparently i need to push every second hand HU (i don't like the sound of this)

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Old Jun 07, 2007, 9:07am   #5
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Since your sample is so small and you believe you are playing better then the stats say I would stick to it. Don't play 6 max, its a total different game, unless you are willing to put in the time to learn. For example the value of an ace in 6 max is alot bigger then 9 max. My best advice is trying the 3.25 turbo's. Good luck and hope tings work out.
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Old Jun 07, 2007, 9:19am   #6
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I don't have a big problem with any of these hands; there's definitely an argument for shoving in Hand 1 and folding in Hand 3 but both are pretty marginal decisions I think. Hand 2 I think you played fine.

I wouldn't worry about making a slight loss after 23 SNGs...stretches like this are totally normal. When I moved up to $11 SNGs it took me over 100 games to establish a positive ROI. As long as you keep working on your game the results will come. I would recommend trying both types of $3 tournies and seeing which suits you better. I like the 6-max ones myself but you do have to play a bit looser, play more hands early on and make the normal adjustments you would make for a shorthanded game.

Incidentally, I'm wondering why you traded your T$ from the double shootout at a loss, rather than just using them to play SNGs? For future reference you do know that you can use T$ to enter SNGs, right?
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Incidentally, I'm wondering why you traded your T$ from the double shootout at a loss, rather than just using them to play SNGs? For future reference you do know that you can use T$ to enter SNGs, right?
Yeah, i made the decision to stick to SnG for the time being after trading in the cash, of course... I did use a little of it before i traded however. The loss was only around $7 so i'm not really worried about it
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I play 6max SNGs on Full Tilt like a total nit and have enjoyed better success than I have had on the full ring games, I think, over a sample of 125 games. Basically I wait for big hands and get paid for them by really bad players while letting people knock eachother out. I still play extremely tight in the beginning and usually stay pretty tight the whole time until headsup (I still play headsup even too tight sometimes). Many times I'm forced to shove with ~10 BB on the bubble but I think I pick my spots well and people are usually more than happy to double you up with their A5 vs. your AJ. I finish 2nd a lot with the occasional first. Some people may say "boooo, play for first boooo" but if you can get 2nd everytime (which is not possible of course...) that would be an ROI of 100%. I also get bullied a lot which I don't mind in the early rounds but I will repush sometimes with marginal hands if a guy is raising my blind everytime. Most people will think this is a terrible strategy but it's been working fine for me so far ...
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Old Jun 07, 2007, 1:20pm   #9
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#4: Villain had raised previous few hands, showing several smallish PP and winning allin races.

PokerStars Game #10313752911: Tournament #52258868, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/06/07 - 08:15:04 (ET)
Table '52258868 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: TOM NEUILLY (1080 in chips)
Seat 2: luckyluckysb (2080 in chips)
Seat 3: ftod (1605 in chips)
Seat 5: windy & me (3750 in chips)
Seat 8: TheSickEye (2785 in chips)
Seat 9: iceickle (1990 in chips)
Seat 10: tomzack (1710 in chips)
TheSickEye: posts small blind 75
iceickle: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [Jh Ac]
tomzack: folds
TOM NEUILLY: folds
luckyluckysb: calls 150
ftod: folds
windy & me: raises 300 to 450
TheSickEye: folds
iceickle: raises 1540 to 1990 and is all-in
luckyluckysb: folds
windy & me: calls 1540
*** FLOP *** [2s 7h 7s]
*** TURN *** [2s 7h 7s] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [2s 7h 7s Qc] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***



This one isnt strategy, but an example of how i always hand my chips to the villain:
PokerStars Game #10313870991: Tournament #51835636, $3.20+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/06/07 - 08:30:08 (ET)
Table '51835636 9' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: iceickle (3575 in chips)
Seat 5: pai mai23 (5425 in chips)
iceickle: posts small blind 25
pai mai23: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [Jh Qc]
iceickle: raises 100 to 150
pai mai23: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [2d 7d Ts]
pai mai23: checks
iceickle: bets 250
pai mai23: calls 250
*** TURN *** [2d 7d Ts] [7s]
pai mai23: checks
iceickle: bets 3175 and is all-in
pai mai23: calls 3175
*** RIVER *** [2d 7d Ts 7s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pai mai23: shows [Ac 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
iceickle: shows [Jh Qc] (a pair of Sevens)
pai mai23 collected 7150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7150 | Rake 0
Board [2d 7d Ts 7s 4h]
Seat 4: iceickle (button) (small blind) showed [Jh Qc] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: pai mai23 (big blind) showed [Ac 7h] and won (7150) with three of a kind, Sevens

kinda bad, eh...

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Old Jun 08, 2007, 1:10am   #10
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OK so i think i may have found my hole. The players in these SnG are mostly terrible. It's easy to identify the rocks and the players who might know what they are doing (because they dont always overbet the pot and open push preflop when the blinds are 15/30)


#5: This hand is an example of how i lose most SnG when i am doing well. Not wanting to sound too cocky, but i am reasonably certain i am the most competant player at this table. the play has been truely horrible. natan226 was no exception, chasing unneccesarily very often and making some bad plays, but getting lucky. Breadman was the only player i thought i might be HU with. Ketan was a rock, i had seen him play 2 hand the whole game.

PokerStars Game #10322704329: Tournament #52302829, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/07 - 19:51:22 (ET)
Table '52302829 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: BreadMan240 (2160 in chips)
Seat 8: iceickle (2645 in chips)
Seat 9: KetanLobo (1880 in chips)
Seat 10: natan226 (8315 in chips)
natan226: posts small blind 100
BreadMan240: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [9s Ts]
iceickle: raises 400 to 600
KetanLobo: folds
natan226: calls 500
BreadMan240: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7h Js]
natan226: checks
iceickle: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc 7h Js] [Th]
natan226: bets 800
iceickle: raises 1245 to 2045 and is all-in
natan226: calls 1245
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7h Js Th] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
natan226: shows [Kh 3h] (a flush, King high)
iceickle: shows [9s Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
natan226 collected 5490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5490 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 7h Js Th Qh]
Seat 1: BreadMan240 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: iceickle showed [9s Ts] and lost with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 9: KetanLobo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: natan226 (small blind) showed [Kh 3h] and won (5490) with a flush, King high
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