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Old Jun 15, 2007, 1:37am   #1
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Default and i thought my luck had changed?

Turns out not. After a brief 'power hour' yeserday, i thought things might be turning around. Stars decides to start screwing me again:


PokerStars Game #10438146191: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/06/14 - 20:26:44 (ET)
Table 'Thule IV' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: m_greene2000 ($19 in chips)
Seat 2: Ecuda ($22.35 in chips)
Seat 3: mikefree7 ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bigmac366 ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 5: pepepere ($16.70 in chips)
Seat 6: iceickle ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Trichter ($29.10 in chips)
Seat 8: smurfalo ($18.25 in chips)
iceickle: posts small blind $0.25
Trichter: posts big blind $0.50
mattydevil: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [6h 7c]
smurfalo: calls $0.50
m_greene2000: calls $0.50
Ecuda: folds
mikefree7: folds
bigmac366: folds
pepepere: folds
iceickle: calls $0.25
Trichter: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 7s 2s]
iceickle: checks
Trichter: checks
smurfalo: checks
m_greene2000: bets $0.50
iceickle: calls $0.50
doc3993 joins the table at seat #10
Trichter: folds
smurfalo: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 7s 2s] [8c]
iceickle: bets $1
m_greene2000: raises $1 to $2
iceickle: raises $1 to $3
m_greene2000: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
iceickle: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [7h 7s 2s 8c] [As]
iceickle: bets $1
m_greene2000: raises $1 to $2
iceickle: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
m_greene2000: shows [8d 8h] (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
iceickle: mucks hand
m_greene2000 collected $14.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15 | Rake $0.50
Board [7h 7s 2s 8c As]
Seat 1: m_greene2000 showed [8d 8h] and won ($14.50) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
Seat 2: Ecuda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mikefree7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bigmac366 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pepepere (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: iceickle (small blind) mucked [6h 7c]


POKERSTARS GAME #10437777285: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/06/14 - 20:01:21 (ET)
Table 'Thule IV' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: AliceD ($30.95 in chips)
Seat 2: fuchsbiss ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 3: mikefree7 ($9.05 in chips)
Seat 4: CmnderMcbrag ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 5: sAnsmAn ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 6: iceickle ($38.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Trichter ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 8: genvid65 ($20.25 in chips)
Seat 9: diospen ($5.40 in chips)
Seat 10: iamjoesheart ($19.25 in chips)
sAnsmAn: posts small blind $0.25
iceickle: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iceickle [9h 6h]
AliceD said, "nosey hey!"
Trichter: calls $0.50
genvid65: folds
diospen: folds
iamjoesheart: calls $0.50
AliceD: raises $0.50 to $1
fuchsbiss: folds
mikefree7: folds
CmnderMcbrag: folds
mikefree7 said, "?"
sAnsmAn: folds
iceickle: calls $0.50
Trichter: calls $0.50
iamjoesheart: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [8d 9s 9c]
iceickle: checks
Trichter: checks
iamjoesheart: checks
AliceD: bets $0.50
iceickle: calls $0.50
Trichter: raises $0.50 to $1
iamjoesheart: folds
AliceD: calls $0.50
iceickle: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [8d 9s 9c] [3c]
iceickle: bets $1
Trichter: raises $1 to $2
AliceD: folds
iceickle: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [8d 9s 9c 3c] [4h]
iceickle: checks
Trichter: bets $1
iceickle: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Trichter: shows [8c 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Nines)
iceickle: mucks hand
Trichter collected $12.75 from pot
iceickle said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.25 | Rake $0.50
Board [8d 9s 9c 3c 4h]
Seat 1: AliceD folded on the Turn
Seat 2: fuchsbiss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mikefree7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CmnderMcbrag (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sAnsmAn (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: iceickle (big blind) mucked [9h 6h]
Seat 7: Trichter showed [8c 8s] and won ($12.75) with a full house, Eights full of Nines
Seat 8: genvid65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: diospen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: iamjoesheart folded on the Flop


And apart from that, except for 2 pots, (yes two exactly, i can remember them) for the last 500 hands i have hit the flop just hard enough to call it down, but someone either hits it harder or draws out on me, heheh.
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Old Jun 15, 2007, 3:31am   #2
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Well that is the ugliness of Limit Hold'em.
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Old Jun 15, 2007, 9:52am   #3
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See my whinging post about 2 down . That's 0.5/1 Fixed Limit too

Last night's session was truly a horror show. Shorthanded AQo and TT are usually pretty much monsters. Not when the same guy has AA 3 times and QQ once. Set of Kings is usually ok too as are flushes and flopped 2nd nut straights. I also usually expect people to raise nut straights at some point......

And believe me I was sick to my stomach about it last night but thought about it and looked at my 10k graph realising despite this clattering I'm still winning, albeit now at only 1.25BB/100, and it's not a big deal and is going to happen.

Mate made an awesome post on my Livejournal last night after I made an apologetic post for a rant, I'll cut & paste.

"How many top poker players do you know of who have done their bollocks at Craps, or some other negative EV game? Quite a few, I should think.

So, why do they do it?

Well, there are many reasons for this, but I thought of a new one (for me) the other day. It was inspired by Chris Fargas's observation that he felt worse about losing than he felt good about winning. This meant that, even though he was a winner at poker, the accumulative emotional effect was negative.

Now, the accepted wisdom is that, even if a bet is neutral EV, we feel worse about losing that bet than we feel good about winning it. But if you are a poker player, it's worse than that. Because, of course, your EV at poker is positive, if you are a winning poker player.

So, when you play poker, and you win, then things are how they should be. So why should you feel good about it? A computer-like player (with emotions, if you see what I mean) could feel "good" if he won more than his average winnings per hour, but that's a tall order in emotional requirements. As a rule, unless a win is absolutely brilliant, there isn't that much positive emotion attached.

Contrarily, if a winning poker player loses, then of course there is a severe negative emotional reaction, because things have not happened as the odds would indicate. Not only have you lost, but you have, by definition, been unlucky.

Now, spin this onto its head. If I play a negative EV game, I expect to lose. Losing, therefore, does not generate much of a negative reaction, because things were as they should be. However, if I defy the odds, get lucky, beat fate at its own game, and I win, then I feel great. I am blessed, I am the lucky one incarnate. In fact, even if I break even, I feel fairly good.

So, in emotional reward rather than financial reward, the negative EV game has a lot going for it. Because you expect so little, anything that you get back makes you happy. In poker, because you are a winner, you expect a lot. Anything that you don't get back, makes you sad. Tghe negative EV game's positive emotional bias counterbalances the negative emotion that builds up from suffering the standard deviations of poker."

Basically, if you're a winning player you expect to win so you get virtually no emotional high unless you win more than the status quo and if you even lose slightly the low is much more severe. Got me thinking anyway.
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Old Jun 15, 2007, 10:06am   #4
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Ah, I see your problem. You don't do well against 88, just fold preflop next time the other guy has it.
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Old Jun 15, 2007, 11:30am   #5
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Ah, I see your problem. You don't do well against 88, just fold preflop next time the other guy has it.
Ah, why didn't I think of that? Ill just fold when they have QQ+ also


On a side note, I made it all back plus more playing 1/2, and have cashed out from Stars to Party. Bonus time!! Left enough for the POY event however
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