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Old Apr 03, 2008, 11:33pm   #11
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Ok, so I called the flop for a number of reasons. I'm not sure if they were good enough, but here they are.

- position
- I think it's relatively unlikely I'm facing a c/r from the first to act in this spot. A preflop raiser c/r'ing two players on a J68 dry board... not very likely.
- It is *possible* I'm getting near freerolled, but being freerolled is only possible if the turn is a non-club 7. So I considered it, but it's not that big an issue.
- My freeroll possibilities, however, are relatively strong if I'm able to hit the Q (or the 7c, obv). Since the flop is super dry flush-wise, barring a non-club running flush, if I'm able to peel a queen I'm looking at some domination on any lower draw. Just because it's not completely obvious, if I hit a Q I'm looking at any 9, T, K, A as nut freerolls, and I can't be getting freerolled. I also considered the running flush, but not as much.

Obviously on the turn its just math - I have 13/14 outs, and there's no worry about being dominated by a better straight draw since there's only 1 card to come. I don't put the preflop raiser on many (if any) blockers, and I expect the flop bettor to have a set or two pair, maybe even a lower straight now, but none of that affects my outs beyond the flush cards that fill the bettor up.

I called river, but I knew it was unlikely I was good at that point. I had put him on j8xx or 88xx, but he had J6xx, good enough to beat me anyway. Figures I managed to 'get lucky' and hit a running draw, but couldn't win with it. I'm on the fence about the play, I don't think the flop was nearly as bad as Boomer's friend thinks, but again, it's marginal either way.

In retrospect, I agree the flop call for direct odds is slightly weak, but I think with position and implied odds, it's not so bad. I would prefer to be closing out the action, but I don't expect to see the sb ever c/r'ing here because it is extremely, extremely rare for the preflop aggressor in omaha to c/r the flop, especially this type of flop.
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Originally Posted by DoubleU
Oh, and obviously, TWLLM, we'd all rather you just ruled with an iron fist of nittiness and made all decisions without consultation, but that goes without saying, right?
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