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Old Apr 19, 2008, 2:31am   #1
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EverestPoker Game #3128257306: Table Suva-12 - $1.00/$2.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:38:48 - 2008/04/18
Seat 1: nabilou ($69.10)
Seat 2: xyu ($258.00)
Seat 3: maradonas2 ($37.00)
Seat 4: HhC_MotU ($195.00)
Seat 5: maobab ($208.10)
Seat 6: tu5can ($287.20)
HhC_MotU posts the small blind of $1.00
maobab posts the big blind of $2.00
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HhC_MotU[Tc Td]
tu5can folds
nabilou folds
xyu raises to $7.00
maradonas2 folds
HhC_MotU raises to $23.00
maobab folds
xyu calls $16.00
*** FLOP *** [5d 4d 6h]
HhC_MotU bets $38.00
xyu calls $38.00
*** TURN *** [5d 4d 6h] [9s]
HhC_MotU ???
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Old Apr 19, 2008, 4:47am   #2
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also mein standard 3bet waere hier $20+open, also hier auf $27


ansonsten kann ich nur sagen, wenn du nich weisst, was du an der stelle tun sollst, war das preflop 3bet vermutlich ne falsche entscheidung.
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Old Apr 19, 2008, 9:09am   #3
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also mein standard 3bet waere hier $20+open, also hier auf $27


ansonsten kann ich nur sagen, wenn du nich weisst, was du an der stelle tun sollst, war das preflop 3bet vermutlich ne falsche entscheidung.
Da ist was dran, vor allem : Ich seh dich schon nach dem Flop call oft hinten gegen den (also angenommen das sind auch seine Stats in the longrun) + wenn du betest hast du schon einiges drin und musst doch auf Raise folden oder wenn er callt River c/f. Solltest du auch am Turn schon c/f besteht die kleine Chance, dass er Pair und Flushdraw hat, du die beste Hand foldest..., also ich hätt in dem Spot auch pre nur gecallt und dann mal geshen wie man mit am meisten Value zum Showdown kommt. Nicht missverstehen indem Spot, TT kann natürlich oft ge3betet werden.

Auf der anderen Seite sehe ich aber auch nicht, wie er hier am Flop ein Set haben könnte, ich mein, weil er es sicher hier nicht nur callt oder?, hm, QQ JJ natürlich möglich
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Old Apr 19, 2008, 9:30am   #4
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was ich genau meine

wenn du OOP mit 100BB stack 3bettest, dann solltest du gegen kompetente gegner ne polarized range haben. Die eine haelft davon ist for value, die andere halefte als bluff. Alles was dazwischen liegt wird preflop gecallt.

Der Teil, der deine value range ausmacht, commited dich in den meisten faellen mit einem pair. Zb wenn deine value range AQ+ JJ+ ist, und mit AQ kommt der flop 39Q, dann geht dein stack in die mitte egal was passiert.

Da du hier TT 3bettest macht es wohl deine value range. Dh du gehst broke auf baords wie K43, Q74 und auch 2569. Also hast du an dem turn eigentlich keine entscheidung mehr zu treffen, ausser villeicht zwischen c/rai weil er oft flaoted oder 2 barrel weil er mit sc's gerne callt und den turn hinterhercheckt.



Die ganze sache mit value und bluff range wird wesentlich schwammiger sobald es deep wird, aber mit 100BB OOP ist das nen geruest womit du fast immer perfekt spielen kannst. Deshalb 3bettet man halt kein 99 und AT gegen relative tighte regs (fast alle bei nl100), weil man sich postflop mit 1 pair (99 auf T37 oder AT auf A33) nich commiten kann bzw sollte.
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Old Apr 19, 2008, 1:13pm   #5
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HhC_MotU bets $81.00
xyu raises to $197.00 and is all-in
HhC_MotU calls $53.00 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $63.00 returned to xyu
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HhC_MotU shows [Tc Td]
xyu shows [Jc Jh]
*** RIVER *** [5d 4d 6h 9s] [5h]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [5d 4d 6h 9s 5h]
xyu collects $389.00

so gings halt weiter. Er hat schon sehr lange überlegt vor dem Push und hätte glaub ich fast gefoldet.
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