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Old Mar 02, 2009, 6:04pm   #1
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SB just sat down the table about three hands ago so no info. I know that my betting was small pre flop, and that is because this size of bet had been working to get some folds in my past hands (weak-loose table that doesn't like aggression overall). I feel my flop raise was too small now that I look at it.
The question is what do I do on the turn?

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saw flop

UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($3.06)
MP1 ($2.16)
MP2 ($5.20)
CO ($2)
Hero (Button) ($4.27)
SB ($4.49)
BB ($7.90)



Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) 10, 9, 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
SB bets $0.94, Hero ???



Edit: I thought I put this in the NLHE cash game thread section. Seeing as how it is 2NL it probably fits here just as well.

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Old Mar 05, 2009, 12:36am   #2
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Nothing? Not even a "you suck if you don't know the right play here"?
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Old Mar 05, 2009, 12:41am   #3
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I raise/shove probably. Might still get a crying call from combo draws or pair plus draws.
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Old Mar 05, 2009, 2:41am   #4
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I shove because it's 1c/2c and you have pocket aces. He is capable of being a spazz-monkey and showing up with anything. Jam it in and hope for the best.

At a higher limit, I probably do something else but at 1c/2c it's fine to get all in with an overpair pretty much always.
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Sorry guys eep.. but I have to disagree, this is either 2 pair or a straight imo though i'm probably thinking about this in a higher stake frame of mind but still.....he bets weak as hell on the flop and calls the weak raise then pots it?

I'd call in case he's got KsQs, KsJs, actually KsANYs (ANY=not 2 pair) but I want to see him check the river after we call, unless the board pairs then we're now ahead of much of his range and can justify a reasonable call.

If you call and he shoves the river then insta-fold.

Side note - Raise the pot on the flop, when the action reaches you the pot's $0.46 so raise to $0.56 giving flush/straight chasers 2-1 to call.
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Sorry guys eep.. but I have to disagree, this is either 2 pair or a straight imo though i'm probably thinking about this in a higher stake frame of mind but still.....he bets weak as hell on the flop and calls the weak raise then pots it?

I'd call in case he's got KsQs, KsJs, actually KsANYs (ANY=not 2 pair) but I want to see him check the river after we call, unless the board pairs then we're now ahead of much of his range and can justify a reasonable call.

If you call and he shoves the river then insta-fold.

Side note - Raise the pot on the flop, when the action reaches you the pot's $0.46 so raise to $0.56 giving flush/straight chasers 2-1 to call.
Yeah, thank you. I get in the bad habit of getting greedy with my AA-KK and allowing people the odds to draw on me.

I think I like playing this a little slower since I don't know if he is a loose-passive player or a dumbass psycho. If he is the former this is almost an insta fold, if he is the latter then it I think it becomes +EV to push.


I shoved his bet hoping he didn't have two pair and was on a draw. I was wrong on both counts. He had and I was dead, which is probably obvious since I posted the hand. However, I am glad to hear from everyone about this hand since it was giving me trouble.
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You're right actually, a larger flop raise is good here.
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Indeed, especially when you get two callers on a bet on the flop and action is to you.

The point of the raise isn't just to make the pot bigger, it is also to make your opponents call an amount that they are losing money in the long run if they are chasing a draw.

As for a flat call here, I think that isn't the best play. A pot sized bet at low stakes with no read can just as easily be someone spazzing with a flush draw than someone who hit a straight. In fact, AK bets that way almost exactly, so this line doesn't necessarily read a strong hand.

People at 2nl will probably put in there stack with a fd, even though they'd have terrible equity. Also, AK is going to be much more liable to call a river shove if you raise the turn here.
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