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Old May 12, 2009, 11:09pm   #1
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Okay LHE forum, i've mocked you but now I need your help.

What the title says, or is it a calldown?

$109 HORSE sat into a $535 tourney. No reads on villain. My gut said i'm beat on the flop, but folding to a single raise is so weak and if I call the flop I have to calldown right?

They REALLY need to run ORSE tournaments instead. Call them ROSE if you need to make a word out of it.

Is bet/fold flop ever ok here or do I peel and fold turn or am I getting worked up over nothing and this is a calldown?

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Seat 1: slabstract (860)
Seat 2: MrTerminator (1,192)
Seat 3: Hill3758 (1,664)
Seat 4: SwoopAE (2,117)
Seat 5: staniv (1,403)
Seat 6: billygoatg (1,135)
Seat 7: TPS SMOKE (3,487)
Seat 8: zoeprincess (192)
zoeprincess posts the small blind of 40
slabstract posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SwoopAE [Td Tc]
MrTerminator folds
slabstract: just figured it out
Hill3758 has 15 seconds left to act
Hill3758 folds
SwoopAE raises to 160
staniv calls 160
billygoatg folds
TPS SMOKE folds
zoeprincess folds
slabstract calls 80
*** FLOP *** [6c 8h 9h]
slabstract checks
SwoopAE bets 80
staniv raises to 160 <-- The only hand I beat is 77 exactly, this means I fold here or not? If I fold an overpair surely it's profitable to raise me on 100% of flops?
slabstract folds
SwoopAE calls 80
*** TURN *** [6c 8h 9h] [5c]
SwoopAE checks
staniv bets 160
SwoopAE calls 160 <--- or am I supposed to fold here if the turn isn't a 7 or T?
*** RIVER *** [6c 8h 9h 5c] [Qd]
SwoopAE checks
staniv bets 160
SwoopAE calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
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Old May 12, 2009, 11:27pm   #2
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I don't know the answer but I'm pretty sure there are a ton of hands he could be raising the flop with that you beat other than 77. Like pretty much any flush draw? OESD. Some gutshot + overs possible? Depends on how aggro he is. I don't think I've played much more than 100 hands lifetime at LHE nitring though.
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1) You've got blockers to the straight

2) That's the wettest board ever

3) You have an overpair and thus have hidden outs vs 2 pairs.

4) Why doesn't he have A9/A8 some other pair?

In a cash game you'd have to shoot me to get me to fold this, and tbh I'm probably 3-betting the flop.

Based on stack size you may be able to come up with a tourney excuse to fold it but imo, no I'm not folding it.
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you can rarely fold overpairs in limit hold´em, and this is defintely not one of them. Of course boomer (and me) only play short-handed, so we may be a little more agressive than what is correct here, and i see your point that maybe only pairs call your raise if he is any good, but you can't assume that.

You also have to remember you have 6 outs vs a set or an overpair. You're calling 80 into 800. How can you fold flop when you have outs vs a set? Vs a straight your in worse shape obviously, but if you think a straight is in his range, so are various straight draws. So never ever fold flop. On turn, the same kind of thinking applies, and maybe, vs a really big nit, you can fold river. But i'd still call most of the time
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Excellent. I just hate LHE spots like this in HORSE tournaments because I feel like i'm never good here but it feels like I have to call down anyway. Evidently that is correct.
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