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Old Jun 02, 2009, 7:54pm   #1
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Default 100NL Full Ring- Middle Overpair OOP 200 BB deep in 3-way 3bet pot

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MP2 is a complete moron and prone to spaz out randomly. There is a relevant hand recently where MP 2 as a shortstacker with a 40 BB stack called a preflop raise IP but then shoves over another player's cold 3bet with KJo.

MP3 (the 3-bettor) is new to the table. I do not have any reads/stats on MP3. He did not see MP2's hand above take place, but he could have prior knowledge of MP2's playing style.

I'm posting this hand because both myself and MP3 are 200BB deep. If we were only 100BB deep I'd snap fold I think.

Thoughts on preflop with the moron left to act? Is MP3 squeezing enough here to make 4-betting (and getting it in against the moron is he spazzes) profitable? Better to flat call given the actual + implied odds we are given? Or does the presence of the moron who can do something retarded like reopen the betting with a minraise warrent a fold still?

Thoughts on the flop (if any?). Plan was to check-fold being squeezed between the 3-bettor and moron.

Thoughts on the turn lead? Is check/call a better line than bet/fold against the 3-bettor?

Edit: It did not get carried over from the hand converter, but MP3 (the 3-bettor) posted a dead $1 blind. This was the very first hand at the table for MP3. I noticed this and had this information while playing the hand.

Button ($249.03)
SB ($200)
BB ($93.69)
Hero (UTG) ($200)
UTG+1 ($35.97)
MP1 ($118.27)
MP2 ($45.23)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($109.10)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
Hero bets $5, 2 folds, MP2 calls $5, MP3 raises to $15, 4 folds, Hero calls $10, MP2 calls $10
Flop: ($46.50) 3, 6, 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks
Turn: ($46.50) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $30

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Old Jun 02, 2009, 8:50pm   #2
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I like bet fold vs the player 3, he will rarely bluff after checking behind the flop
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Old Jun 02, 2009, 9:16pm   #3
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why this huge open raise?

pf is really sticky cause MP2 can reopen the action. The implied odds are there, but just barely. The danger of calling $15 and then ending up folding makes it a fold imo.

flop+turn seem fine
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why this huge open raise?
There was a dead blind already in the pot so the raise was 4bb + 1 per limper.

Thanks for the thoughts so far guys. Anyone else want to chime in, specifically on pre-flop?
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Old Jun 02, 2009, 10:24pm   #5
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Fold pre... The Smallstack will push too often imo against 2 with the pot that big compared to his stack...

Flop + Turn are fine...
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Given how short the moron is I'd expect him to shove or fold most of the time, but than against he is a moron and he didn't get that title by using logic . The big value to calling a 3bet in this situation is to play the moron, not the decent player. If the fish were Full Buyin it would be easy call.

Your decent opponent will know that the fish will shove a fair amount so the chances he's bluffing are less.
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Default 100NL Full Ring Middle Overpair OOP 200 BB deep in 3 way 3bet pot

If you have a big hand and the stations will call you by all means bet full pot or even overbet it.Most fish at that level dont even look at bet sizing, they just play fit or fold so sometimes cbetting 1/3rd pot with air has the same effect as betting 3/4s pot as they are either continuing or theyre not.
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