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Nov 03, 2009, 1:42pm
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Low level HU cash- preferred strategy against certain player type
This is a bit more of a theoretical question for everyone. I've started playing a good deal of 50NL and 100NL HU and struggle against a certain strategy so I need some advice.
I struggle against the chronic min-raiser on the button player, the person who does it with 90% of his hands and then cbets every single flop. Obviously there is a part of my range that is so bad that I fold, and obviously there is a good deal of my range which I want to 3-bet with.
What I'm struggling with is what to do with the middle portion of my range- the 10/8o portion, the k/7o portion. For the experienced HU players, what do you do here? Widen your 3-betting range to include these hands, which then means you're playing big pots oop with weak hands when called? Fold these hands over and over? Call the 1 BB oop and attempt to play postflop oop all the time, which means there will be many hands where you whiff the flop and have no idea about the strength of the opponent's hand?
Thanks in advance guys. Seriously.
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Nov 03, 2009, 2:09pm
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yeah this is something a lot of ssnl players have trouble with b/c they feel that they have to adjust to that and play more hands OOP which is obv not the problem vs. bad players but vs more competent regs its becomes a problem.
One of the mainthoughts behind minraising the btn is that u wanna force your opp to play more hands OOP or it is an adjustment to frequent 3bettors.
If he raises only 60% of his range otb than it would be a mistake to play more hands OOP only because he's minraising.
Actually you dont have to adjust to his raisesize otb but you have to adjust to his opening range and his postflop style.. and that is something that doesnt differ wheter he minopens or if he 3x 4x 10x the btn. think about it.. in HeadsUp your preflop decision is far less important.
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Nov 03, 2009, 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by DirtySanchez80
Actually you dont have to adjust to his raisesize otb
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yes you do. Cause you are winning less money on your 3bets. If you played the same ranges OOP vs a 2bb open as against a 3bb open one of these ranges is not optimal.
I typically flat the minraise with just about any two playable.
And why are you freaked out when someones cbets 100%? thats great for you.
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Nov 03, 2009, 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by BubbleBoy
And why are you freaked out when someones cbets 100%? thats great for you.
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Not freaking out. I used it to describe the player for the point of the discussion. If your playing someone who min-raises the button ever time but then checks when he whiffs the flop, you can adjust super easily and steal the pot oop with nothing, so that isn't the part that is troubling me. Good thoughts so far. Others?
Last edited by Timbilo; Nov 03, 2009 at 2:58pm.
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Nov 03, 2009, 3:24pm
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Whether or not you should widen your 3betting range, or flatcall more, also depends on how he reacts to your 3bets. If he folds a whole lot, you can 3bet some hands out of what you refer to as the middle portion of your range. If he's not really good postflop you want to flat more since you don't mind playing pots oop as much, and since preflop pots are small you can get more mileage out of your postflop advantage.
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Nov 03, 2009, 10:10pm
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Versus a habitual minraiser I'll typically widen my PF calling range moreso than my 3betting range unless I have another good reason to do so (folds a lot of 3bets, plays FoF on flops). For a flop strategy I think we just kind of try to get an idea of how he reacts to different lines. When we c/c some pair vs one of his many cbets, does he ck the turn back and is that ever pot control? How does he react to CRs on different board types? Does he raise/float/play FoF to donk-leads (though I hardly ever donk, so it's not an area I'm able to argue very well)? After all that, we'll get an idea as to whether we can bluff him a lot or if our plays should be for thin + value or what.
Another notion I have is that since we'll be widening our PF calling range, we'll be playing more small pots than vs. a typical 3x raiser, so we can't afford to be too tight to his cbets when he cbets a lot.
Most of the habitual minraisers (ie., not people making an adjustment) I've played at 50nl HU have been fish, though, for some reason.
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It's generally a mistake to play more hands even though your opponent is opening every button, but it's what I see a lot of.
Did you know that you actually don't make money out of the BB in HU play? You make your profit from the button, and try to limit your losses from the BB.
Your opponent cbetting every flop should be very good for you. Check-raise liberally, and remember that hand strength is vastly different. For example, A8 on J85 is ridiculously strong against a 100% button opener and you should treat it as such. I'm not saying insta-stack off, but I'd feel very comfortable check-raising for value or leading several barrels into my opponent.
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