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Old Feb 09, 2010, 1:59pm   #1
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Default FLP set. Scary flush/drawy board.

I've been at the table for a while now. The two villians in this hand have been playing pretty loose. I've flopped a set on this board but it scares the shit out of me. I'm thinking I lost some value or played it not so well. Would like to get some feedback on different approaches to these types of boards.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
1 fold, MP raises, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (10 SB) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps, MP calls, CO calls

Turn: (11 BB) (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets, MP calls, CO calls

River: (14 BB) (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $84 (14 BB) | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had 3, 3 (three of a kind, threes).
MP had 10, Q (high card, Queen).
CO had 5, J (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $81
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Old Feb 09, 2010, 2:06pm   #2
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I can't see too much value there. CO missed his flush and would have folded. MP was looking for the gutshot or one of his over cards.
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Old Feb 09, 2010, 2:59pm   #3
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I can't see too much value there. CO missed his flush and would have folded.
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OP, the action tells us that our set is likely good. the flop we cap with the pfr and someone else comes along for the ride, but the turn is checked to us, and both players flat call.

if we were already beat we would get raised here, so we can pull T7 and bigger sets out of everyone's range. Also 75 but unless it's 75c, that hand doesn't get past the flop. 98 probably fights back here too, as do big overpairs.

the river is checked to you, it's a judgement call whether either of these players is sophisticated enough to check a rivered straight expecting you to keep betting (a 7 is going to lead at least some of the time), but even if they are, there aren't many hands with a 7 in that have got this far. 97 or 76, 87 or 77 in the hands of an optimist or 7Xc.

The pot is big enough that you will get calls from all kinds of wonky hands. 9X pays you off, 8X probably pays you off given your opponents are loose, TT might have played this way and will pay you off, AKc might even call in case you were pushing a worse draw and missed. Being laid 15:1, they'll call with all sorts of hands. You're easily a 2:1 favourite over their showdown ranges, and this isn't a straightforward win one bet or lose two bets scenario, because there are two guys who can pay you off.

So yeah, I'd bet the river.

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Old Feb 09, 2010, 10:10pm   #4
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This is an easy valuebet and imo its not even close.
If you check behind its imo a big mistake since you cannot just put a bet in when you are behind but in particular when you are likely ahead.





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I can't see too much value there. CO missed his flush and would have folded. MP was looking for the gutshot or one of his over cards.
Its fixed limit holdem and not NL.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 6:40am   #5
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I agree this is a bet in LHE, in NLHE its close/villain dependant
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 7:31am   #6
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Its fixed limit holdem and not NL.
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