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Old Sep 22, 2010, 10:20am   #1
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Pacific $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (6 SB) 6 6 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls

River: (6.5 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets?

Ist das hier noch ne V-Bet auf dem River? UTG hatte 48/3 auf 34 Hände.
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 10:34am   #2
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ja klar ist das ne Valuebet. Bekommst noch Value von einer 7 oder 9, die er sich am Turn aufgeschnappt hat, wenn er 89,T9,J9,95 oder was auch immer für einen garbage so ein 48/3 Typ runtercallt.
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Old Sep 23, 2010, 1:37pm   #3
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für mich auch klare valuebet am river.
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Old Sep 23, 2010, 3:19pm   #4
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Thx, dann habe ich ja alles richtig gemacht. UTG hatte ne 7.
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Old Sep 24, 2010, 3:24pm   #5
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Old Sep 26, 2010, 12:04am   #6
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interessanter ist villeicht die frage was die schlechteste hand ist die wir for value betten. AK - 55 is zu thin imo. aber 7x? J7? A7?
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Old Sep 26, 2010, 9:58am   #7
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das ist wohl weniger von der stärke der hand abhängig, als davon wie groß unsere c/c range sein soll .. und wie groß unsere c/f range ..

durch unsere turnbet vs 2 ist unsere range schon recht stark ..
dh der gegner sollte eigentlich nicht zu light A high calls machen .. ich weiß is 0,5/1 aber nur mal so theoretisch ;)

dh richtig is wohl dass wir wenig value mit 55-AK haben.. dennoch hat der gegner paar marginale draws in seiner range, die er potentiell bluffen könnte .. da unserer check am river sehr nach nem defensive check mit dieser range aussieht .. sollten wir aber auch aufpassen einige hände zu folden, damit der gegner uns nicht dünn vbetten kann aber nie bluffen wird ..

nun müssen wir sehn, was aus unserer range sich für c/c eignet um die c/f zu balancen nunja wir haben quasi nur 55 .. und A7 als kleine pairs .. K7s vll noch .. preflop raise ich nicht mit J7 oder sowas .. im sb complete ich da dann höchstens ..

A7 hat für mich zu viel value und is noch ne recht klare bet imo ..

daher wäre meine check range wohl wirklich nur 55 und A high vll mal nen K7s und davon würd ich dann halt 55 callen und mit den A highs je nach gegnerread einen guten prozentsatz c/f
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interessanter ist villeicht die frage was die schlechteste hand ist die wir for value betten. AK - 55 is zu thin imo. aber 7x? J7? A7?
negativ freeroll nennt man das.

weil wir hier so und so 1bet investieren, ist es besser selbst zu betten da er sonst diese hände behindchecken könnte die wir beaten er aber auch callen wird
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Old Sep 26, 2010, 7:33pm   #9
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neagtiv freeroll is son schlagwort, was einfach eine situation nicht genau genug beschreibt ..

called er mit bluffs ? sicherlich nicht .. er called nur mit schlechteren madehands ..

dh die frage ob bet > c/c ist definiert sich allein daraus, ob er mehr schlechtere callinghände oder mehr schelchtere bluffhände hat ..

bei AK sollte die range der schlechteren callinghände recht gering sein .. ob wir stattdessen c/c oder c/f is abhängig von der blufffrequenz und hat mit negative freeroll absolut nix zu tun ..
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 11:22pm   #10
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mit der 4 und 9 am turn und river kommen halt alle gutshots an (zumindest pair). daher koennen wir Ahi wohl sicherlich nicht vbetten, und auch unklar ob wir es c/callen koennen, da Khi den river wohl behind checked, und Qhi/Jhi sind halt kaum hands.

also joa wuerd pulows ranges schon zustimmen
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