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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:02pm   #1
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Villain ist ein aggressiver regular.

Am Tisch wusste ich nicht, ob ich den turn for value shoven kann. Ich weiss, dass das ein easy math-problem ist und ich habe auch schon selbst herausgefunden, dass es kein value-shove ist.

Was mich vielmehr interessiert ist, ob ihr in dem spot am Tisch sofort wisst ob ihr value shoven könnt? Habt ihr irgendwelche Fausregeln oder sowas?

Ich denke mir halt, dass ich paar sets blocke und, dass er mich aufgrund meines images wohl mit 2pair callen wird. In 20-30 Skunden kriege ich es am Tisch aber nicht gebacken die ganzen Combos zu zählen ...

Wie geht ihr vor?

Stacks:
UTG ($49.09)
CO ($47.04)
Hero ($50)
SB ($16.50)
BB ($49.25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players)
UTG bets $2.81, Hero calls $2.81

Turn: ($9.37, 2 players)
UTG bets $7.02, Hero calls $7.02

River: ($23.41, 2 players)
UTG bets $17.55, Hero goes all-in?
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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:09pm   #2
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das würd ich schon davon abhängig machen wie er so in EP spielt, stats wären dementsprechend auch gut
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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:15pm   #3
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das würd ich schon davon abhängig machen wie er so in EP spielt, stats wären dementsprechend auch gut
Versteh ich jetzt nicht.

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KQ
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Sind die relevanten Hände. Denke mal das spielt so ziemlich jeder aus allen positionen.
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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:27pm   #4
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jo aber die barrell-tendencies sind halt unterschiedlich..

tja stove sagt 55 / 45 (was du ja sicherlich schon weisst)

ich denke so "faustregeln" die du suchst gibt es in dem sinne nicht, weil das viel zu villain-abhängig ist
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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:47pm   #5
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dazu hab ich mal ne frage an dich...
willst du statt shoven callen oder folden?
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Old Jan 16, 2011, 11:51pm   #6
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dazu hab ich mal ne frage an dich...
willst du statt shoven callen oder folden?
KQ wäre wohl ein fold, AQ wäre zumindest kein schöner call, aber mit AK würde ich hier folden niemals in Betracht ziehen.

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Old Jan 17, 2011, 1:02am   #7
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wenn ich hier calle dann setze ich mein AK = AJ und das will ich nicht. entweder jamme ich oder folde ABER ich rechne so zeugs nie durch. ist also möglich, dass das die schlechtere variante ist.

im übrigen würde ich hier so gut wie immer jammen und ganz ganz GANZ selten folden.
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Old Jan 17, 2011, 1:52am   #8
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jam oder fold wat?

is nen push weil du 'nix' reppst
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Old Jan 17, 2011, 9:19am   #9
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Aber was nutzt es mir nichts zu reppen, wenn ich gegen die range die mich callen kann hinten bin? Der 3barrellt hier ja nicht mit AJ.
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ja ok, er is UT, hat vermutlich nichma die eine A6s combo. JT sehr gut moeglich. call nur. my bad.
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