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Old Oct 04, 2011, 12:42am   #1
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Default NL30 sh / KQ, Bet Turn?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($12.35)
UTG+1 ($62.64)
CO ($19.20)
matpio (BTN) ($29.82)
SB ($20.15)
BB ($68.88)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 6 players) matpio is BTN
2 folds, CO calls $0.30, matpio raises to $1.20, SB calls $1.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.90, 3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $3.90, matpio calls $3.90, SB folds

Turn: ($11.70, 2 players)
CO checks, matpio checks

River: ($11.70, 2 players)
CO bets $8.85, matpio calls $8.85


Beide unknown.

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Old Oct 04, 2011, 4:38pm   #2
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flop ist schon meh.. Turn check ist gut.. er x/foldet entweder oder x/jammt

River muss man wohl callen

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Old Oct 04, 2011, 4:48pm   #3
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er x/foldet entweder oder x/jammt
lol
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Old Oct 04, 2011, 5:06pm   #4
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find ich nicht lol sondern korrekte einschätzung der situation.

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Old Oct 04, 2011, 5:21pm   #5
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find ich nicht lol sondern korrekte einschätzung der situation.

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Ich finde c/c bei einem NL30 unknown mindestens genauso wahrscheinlich wie c/r.
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Old Oct 04, 2011, 6:06pm   #6
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Nach einer potbet von ihm - multiway und monotone Flop - find ich Beluas Einschätzung schon sehr passend.

Dementsprechend ist ne turnbet gegen eine range die am Flop so spielt suizidal.

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Old Oct 04, 2011, 6:46pm   #7
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Old Oct 06, 2011, 4:22am   #8
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ist ja nen 66bb typ der limp/callt. der macht sich keinen plan wie er den turn spielt nach flop bet. wenn er das tun wuerde, dann ja, kriegt man da meist nen jam. aber nen donk der bettet am flop mit AJ und ueberlegt dann am turn nochmal.

wuerde turn trotzdem nicht betten da value zu thin ist. aber nur jams zu erwarten stimmt nicht.


also nochmal zum kontrast verdeutlichen.


wir BT vs SB reg. SB donkt T87m, wir callen. Turn 2o, SB checkt. Hier kriegt man fast keine check-calls. Weil der SB am flop donkt
1) mit nuts, set/flush, die turn check/jammen
2) mit combo draw, overs+fd, nfd, was turn auch jammt (oder foldet)
3) mit bluff, was turn check foldet

hier sollte man turn nicht betten wenn man eine hand hat die seine bluffs besiegt, also SD value hat, die aber keinen jam callen will. KT checkt da behind. Zusaetzliches adjustment waere noch die betsize zu verkleinern, da er ja eh entweder raised oder foldet.




Gleiches szenario, nun gegen fisch. Der fisch donkt am flop
1) nuts, ok wie oben
2) draws, die check callen fast immer
3) mid pair, top pair, check callt immer
4) air, foldet meist, callt manchmal

Da bettet man top pair immer am turn. Und zwar sehr gross. For value. Wenn der fisch doch raised, und wir haben KT, joa, dann haben wir nen scheiss. aber das passiert nicht so oft wie gegen den reg.
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Old Oct 06, 2011, 11:03am   #9
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Cool. Danke!
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