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Old Oct 09, 2011, 5:37am   #11
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Missing value or standard?

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$100 USD PL Omaha - Sunday, October 09, 00:35:59 EDT 2011
Table Table 137424 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 6: Dolli_Poker ( $240.12 USD )
Seat 1: aksuited918 ( $83.41 USD )
Seat 3: deano599 ( $155.97 USD )
Seat 5: plzpickme ( $200.16 USD )
Seat 2: wiraworks ( $78.72 USD )
Seat 4: zvicar ( $39.05 USD )
wiraworks posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
deano599 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ Qd Ts 3s 4c ]
zvicar folds
plzpickme raises [$3 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$3 USD]
aksuited918 folds
wiraworks folds
deano599 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qs, 8s ]
plzpickme bets [$5.34 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$5.34 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
plzpickme bets [$12.96 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$12.96 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
plzpickme checks
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Old Oct 10, 2011, 3:37am   #12
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H1. If your 4betting 4d 6d 8h Ad I have no doubt that you should be vaule betting the river here. That being said you probably shouldnt be 4-betting 4d 6d 8h Ad.

H2 Looks spewy to me. You can bet the flop if you want but if you ck it should be to ck fold.

His bet size is kinda fishy ie much bigger than I would go with a flush or a bluff
but I still think you should just fold.

Making pure bluffs on monotone boards is okay however but I rather do it vs a preflop raiser cbet
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Old Oct 10, 2011, 3:40am   #13
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Villain seems pretty straight-forward but haven't played with him long.

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Table Table 166989 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2/6
Seat 5: costa43 ( $48.15 USD )
Seat 4: plzpickme ( $93.70 USD )
plzpickme posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
costa43 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ 6c Ah 7s 3d ]
plzpickme raises [$1.25 USD]
costa43 raises [$4 USD]
plzpickme calls [$3 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qs, Ad ]
costa43 checks
plzpickme bets [$4.27 USD]
costa43 calls [$4.27 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
costa43 checks
plzpickme bets [$5 USD]
costa43 calls [$5 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
costa43 bets [$26.54 USD]
plzpickme folds
costa43 does not show cards.
costa43 wins $53.08 USD

His line is stupid weird here if he has been playing normally I would fold but I see myself calling against all sorts of fish
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Old Oct 10, 2011, 3:42am   #14
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Missing value or standard?

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Table Table 137424 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 6: Dolli_Poker ( $240.12 USD )
Seat 1: aksuited918 ( $83.41 USD )
Seat 3: deano599 ( $155.97 USD )
Seat 5: plzpickme ( $200.16 USD )
Seat 2: wiraworks ( $78.72 USD )
Seat 4: zvicar ( $39.05 USD )
wiraworks posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
deano599 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ Qd Ts 3s 4c ]
zvicar folds
plzpickme raises [$3 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$3 USD]
aksuited918 folds
wiraworks folds
deano599 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qs, 8s ]
plzpickme bets [$5.34 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$5.34 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
plzpickme bets [$12.96 USD]
Dolli_Poker calls [$12.96 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
plzpickme checks
fold pre!

Turn is tough. Probably bet against most but if he has been know to slowplay maybe ck call.

River - value bet or ck call no folding. dependent on villian
If my read is that he decent I probably bet
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Old Oct 10, 2011, 9:16pm   #15
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$100 USD PL Omaha - Monday, October 10, 16:14:25 EDT 2011
Table Table 167019 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 3: OnlyWeirdo ( $147.70 USD )
Seat 6: Piglet159 ( $72.98 USD )
Seat 5: RedScorpn83 ( $123.22 USD )
Seat 4: Telopuro ( $72.59 USD )
Seat 1: plzpickme ( $418.21 USD )
RedScorpn83 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Piglet159 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ Qs 4h Ad Ah ]
plzpickme raises [$3.50 USD]
OnlyWeirdo raises [$12 USD]
RedScorpn83 folds
Piglet159 folds
plzpickme raises [$34 USD]
sm3ghead has joined the table.
OnlyWeirdo calls [$25.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Kh, Jd ]
plzpickme bets [$74.50 USD]
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Old Oct 11, 2011, 10:00pm   #16
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***** Hand History for Game 10979218664 *****
$100 USD PL Omaha - Tuesday, October 11, 16:58:34 EDT 2011
Table Table 137604 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 5: AAAX_FAIL ( $100 USD )
Seat 2: M0NKEYMAN ( $175.73 USD )
Seat 3: ZhangJun77 ( $100 USD )
Seat 4: iwanohcee ( $100 USD )
Seat 1: monir666999 ( $156.64 USD )
Seat 6: plzpickme ( $111.05 USD )
M0NKEYMAN posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
ZhangJun77 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ 8c 5s 6h Jh ]
iwanohcee folds
plzpickme raises [$3.50 USD]
monir666999 folds
M0NKEYMAN raises [$11 USD]
ZhangJun77 folds
plzpickme calls [$8 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 4c, 6s ]
M0NKEYMAN bets [$14 USD]
plzpickme calls [$14 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
M0NKEYMAN checks
plzpickme bets [$17 USD]
M0NKEYMAN calls [$17 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
M0NKEYMAN checks
plzpickme is all-In [$68.55 USD]
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Old Oct 12, 2011, 7:48am   #17
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***** Hand History for Game 10975450324 *****
$100 USD PL Omaha - Monday, October 10, 16:14:25 EDT 2011
Table Table 167019 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 3: OnlyWeirdo ( $147.70 USD )
Seat 6: Piglet159 ( $72.98 USD )
Seat 5: RedScorpn83 ( $123.22 USD )
Seat 4: Telopuro ( $72.59 USD )
Seat 1: plzpickme ( $418.21 USD )
RedScorpn83 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Piglet159 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ Qs 4h Ad Ah ]
plzpickme raises [$3.50 USD]
OnlyWeirdo raises [$12 USD]
RedScorpn83 folds
Piglet159 folds
plzpickme raises [$34 USD]
sm3ghead has joined the table.
OnlyWeirdo calls [$25.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Kh, Jd ]
plzpickme bets [$74.50 USD]

I think you have to ck fold with the stack sizes
If you had 100BB you could just pot it and get in.
board: Qd Kh Jd

Qs 4h Ad Ah 34.19%
15% 65.81%


Without the gutter you probably should ck fold even only 100BB deep


board: Qd Kh Jd
3s 4h Ad Ah 23.30%
15% 76.70%
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Old Oct 12, 2011, 8:02am   #18
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$100 USD PL Omaha - Tuesday, October 11, 16:58:34 EDT 2011
Table Table 137604 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 5: AAAX_FAIL ( $100 USD )
Seat 2: M0NKEYMAN ( $175.73 USD )
Seat 3: ZhangJun77 ( $100 USD )
Seat 4: iwanohcee ( $100 USD )
Seat 1: monir666999 ( $156.64 USD )
Seat 6: plzpickme ( $111.05 USD )
M0NKEYMAN posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
ZhangJun77 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to plzpickme [ 8c 5s 6h Jh ]
iwanohcee folds
plzpickme raises [$3.50 USD]
monir666999 folds
M0NKEYMAN raises [$11 USD]
ZhangJun77 folds
plzpickme calls [$8 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 4c, 6s ]
M0NKEYMAN bets [$14 USD]
plzpickme calls [$14 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
M0NKEYMAN checks
plzpickme bets [$17 USD]
M0NKEYMAN calls [$17 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
M0NKEYMAN checks
plzpickme is all-In [$68.55 USD]
Does villian cbet here with something like that bricked like AKJ10 no spades?

If he does always cbet with the missed overs just getting it on the flop is probably best. If you dont have much fold equity peeling the turn is okay.

As played, The problem I see on the turn is that you never have a boat since two pair and sets or just raising the flop. So you are repping trips 9's which you probably wouldnt bet that small with on a board with two flush draws.

I also would expect you to shove most flush draws on the flop so I might not believe this and look it up with an overpair.
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I'm surprised that you would advocate getting it in on the flop with just middle pair and a gutshot and no flush draw if we think he's just bricked with overcards. Seems like you'd just be turning the hand into a bluff basically.

Also, what software did you use to compile those figures vs. top 15% of hands?
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I'm surprised that you would advocate getting it in on the flop with just middle pair and a gutshot and no flush draw if we think he's just bricked with overcards. Seems like you'd just be turning the hand into a bluff basically.

Also, what software did you use to compile those figures vs. top 15% of hands?
http://propokertools.com/simulations

This is the supposed exact order ... http://propokertools.com/orderings/ohordering.txt

I think it does discount AAxx hands from his range if you specify a top x% of hands appropriately if enter yourself with AA




Pair and gutshot is doing fine against dry overpairs, so we are really only worried about the overpair and flush draw.

board: 9s 4c 6s

8c 5s 6h Jh 44.51%
AA**, kk** 55.49%

So we have 44.5% equity which includes the random times he has a flushdraw with the overpair. If he is bet folding anything at all basically we have +ev shove.

Now I dont know anything about his 3bet tendencies .... if he has a lot of middling rundown type stuff included in it will get worse. Or if he is likely to only 3bet good AA and KK hands (more likely to be suited) then of course it is getting even worse.

But even against a range of all AA, only KK with spades and all sorts of random rundowns that smack that board you still have 40% so if he is bet folding enough shoving is okay

board: 9s 4c 6s

8c 5s 6h Jh 40.36%
AA**,Ks*sK*,6789,789T,89TJ,78TJ,79TJ,678A,789A,89T A,679A 59.64%

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