Team Playing a Casino

[IronLen1972]

Anyone have any experience dealing with "team players" at a casino/live game?

I have a regular team of players coming to the local casino of late. The management has little interest in doing anything about it and I have no other live options other than my Friday night home game.

The clearly are playing out of the same bankroll and soft playing each other and using squeeze plays.

Ideas? Is there some potential strategies I could employ to turn the disadvantage into an advantage?

[killcrazy]

does the game have a dealer? if so they are predictable, which makes them exploitable. you're basically guaranteed a big pot whenever you pick up a hand.

you only really have a problem if the game is self dealt, and even then only if you let them cheat.

Kc

[darryl]

Just play your cards realizing they are going to drive up the betting. Maybe play a bit tighter. Position will matter much more. In most cases, you can probably let them do the betting for you.

-d

[Ozone]

Drag them into a backroom and smash their hands with a hammer IMO.

[Axis of Evil]

Ask the floor boss to come over and have him clarify the rules on mucking vs. forcing hands to be shown at showdown and what is the protocol if it has become obvious that players are colluding and soft-playing each other at the table. This is usually enough of a distraction to throw them off of their game. Once at the Mirage I demanded that the boss either seperate two colluding players or move one to another table entirely. He stayed and watched them like a hawk for a good ten minutes, so at every opportunity I asked them why they were no longer jacking up pots only to fold while talking under their breath? It was lots 'o fun.

[killcrazy]

i expected more from this thread

how do we know they are cheating? can't they just be guys who lend each other money and play a fold equity oriented game? whipsawing is a crap way to cheat.

Kc

[IronLen1972]

the local casino here uses crappy electronic tables

they are poorly monitored at best and the collusion is pretty obvious.

the three in particular who team play also speak in mandarin at the table.

there are rules against it but the management seems more concerned with people having cell phones at the table than they do about something as silly as people cheating.

it has been openly discussed that if it can be proven that they are cheating (ie have someone who speaks mandarin eavesdrop for example) that they really do get their asses beat in the parking lot. I personally don't endorse that action but I admit that I won't cry any tears for them either.

[killcrazy]

Originally Posted by IronLen1972

the local casino here uses crappy electronic tables

i don't understand the appeal of those, but at least in this case it takes away all the materials they could use to signal without attracting attention.

they are poorly monitored at best and the collusion is pretty obvious.

so you say, but you haven't said how you know this.

the three in particular who team play also speak in mandarin at the table.

there are rules against it but the management seems more concerned with people having cell phones at the table than they do about something as silly as people cheating.

it has been openly discussed that if it can be proven that they are cheating (ie have someone who speaks mandarin eavesdrop for example) that they really do get their asses beat in the parking lot. I personally don't endorse that action but I admit that I won't cry any tears for them either.

or learn to speak poker mandarin yourself and use their collusion against them, which i would have done the first night i saw them doing this.

Kc

[SwoopAE]

call/call/call wider if they're trying to squeeze you

[killcrazy]

Originally Posted by SwoopAE

call/call/call wider if they're trying to squeeze you

why when you can tighten up and be guaranteed paid for your hands?

Kc