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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:07pm   #1
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Default NL30 sh / AQ im 3Bet Spot, River?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($20.15)
matpio (UTG+1) ($30)
CO ($37.47)
BTN ($29.55)
SB ($35.36)
BB ($32.16)

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 6 players) matpio is UTG+1
1 fold, matpio raises to $0.90, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, matpio calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.30, 2 players)
SB bets $4.50, matpio calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.30, 2 players)
SB bets $7, matpio calls $7

River: ($29.30, 2 players)
SB bets $20.86



SB: 19/16
3Bet: 8%
Stats aus SB Posi: 20/16
3Bet: 11%
CBet in 3Bet Spots: 62% (21)
WtSD/W$SD: 30/55
Hands: 2.2k


Da frag ich meist warum nicht einfach am Flop schon raisen, dann brauch ich mir nicht dauernd am River überlegen was zu tun ist.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:41pm   #2
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Ich würde preflop einfach folden. Denke nicht, dass seine 3betting-range in dem spot weit ist. AJ/KQ wird er da vermutlich nicht 3betten. Wenn Dein stack reingeht biste meistens tot.

As played kannst Du river denk ich nicht callen.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:46pm   #3
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Einfach aus dem Grunde wieder dass ich MP nicht bin und eben nicht am CO oder BTN sitze?
Angenommen ich wäre am CO oder BTN....spielst du dann auch wie ich hier?

Ich hab as played am River auch gefolded.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:50pm   #4
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Call pre geht, 4bet geht, fold geht niemals - sehe auch keinen Sinn.
Willst du hier auch TT, JJ und QQ folden LJ? Warum nicht einfach 4bet/call statt fold (wenn du es nicht postflop spielen willst, aus welchem Grund auch immer)?
Um AQ hier zu folden müsste er eine Range von AK+,JJ+ haben und das sind 1. keine 8% und 2. schon gar keine 11%.

As played ists ok, River ist halt ein Herofold aber passt irgendwie schon.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:52pm   #5
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er 3 bettet in dem spot aber keine 8%. gibt viele die hier gar keine lighten 3 bets in dem spot haben
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 6:57pm   #6
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Call pre geht, 4bet geht, fold geht niemals - sehe auch keinen Sinn.
Willst du hier auch TT, JJ und QQ folden LJ? Warum nicht einfach 4bet/call statt fold (wenn du es nicht postflop spielen willst, aus welchem Grund auch immer)?
Um AQ hier zu folden müsste er eine Range von AK+,JJ+ haben und das sind 1. keine 8% und 2. schon gar keine 11%.

As played ists ok, River ist halt ein Herofold aber passt irgendwie schon.
Pairs würde ich eher callen als AQ.

Wenn er in dem spot 11% 3bet hat, dann folde ich AQ natürlich nicht. Er hat in dem spot aber keine 11% 3bet, vermutlich nichtmal 5%.
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das is sicher richtig, aber dennoch finde ich es sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass er seine range so sehr adjusted und matpio mit 3% range 3bettet.
wenn das aber so ist, dann hast du recht lj.

schau doch mal im replayer nach was er für eine stat hat für SB vs MP 3bet (wobei da 2.2k hands ein zu kleines sample ist denke ich)
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das is sicher richtig, aber dennoch finde ich es sehr unwahrscheinlich, dass er seine range so sehr adjusted und matpio mit 3% range 3bettet.
wenn das aber so ist, dann hast du recht lj.

schau doch mal im replayer nach was er für eine stat hat für SB vs MP 3bet (wobei da 2.2k hands ein zu kleines sample ist denke ich)
Ist so halt schwer zu sagen. Es gibt ja in HEM den "3bet vs. open from ..." stat. Da gucke ich öfters mal drauf. Bei diesen 19/16er nits sieht man da gegen MP-opener alles von 2% bis ca. 7%. Wenn ich - wie in der Hand hier - nichts genauers weiß gehe ich mal so von 4-6% aus und dagegen will ich mit AQ nicht callen. Ich muss aber auch zugeben, dass die 19/16 von denen ich spreche keine 8% 3bet overall haben. Kann also schon sein, dass er hier in dem spot etwas mehr als nur 4-6% 3bet hat.
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man kann auch indirekt informationen holen. wenn du auf seinen MP.fold-to-3bet.from-blind kuckst, siehst du wie oft er MP gegen blind 3bets foldet. wenn er da viel foldet, gibt er dem position matchup viel respekt, und wird auch selber tight 3betten. ist natuerlich nur indirekt, aber wenn man sonst keine info hat, kann man das schon betrachten.


pre is jedenfalls close, hab das auch schon oft gefoldet, aber egal

river ist dumm. fold ist ok als default, aber dann bist du 3barrelbar.
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