Feedback on Pocket Aces

[packattack88]

This happened earlier in a $30 STT. If I could get some feedback on if you guys think I played it correctly, or where(if ever) I should have bet. Thanks
***** Hand History for Game 499613266 *****
bizkit1 finished in eighth place.
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 3019142) - Sat Apr 03 13:58:35 EST 2004
Table Table 11039 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Bstudder (1390)
Seat 2: riddick72 (770)
Seat 3: packattack88 (1335)
Seat 7: Adamreeves (1480)
Seat 8: KrosBonz (1175)
Seat 9: mikedisa (890)
Seat 10: MayNight (960)
Bstudder posts small blind (15)
riddick72 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to packattack88 [ Ac, As ]
packattack88 raises (150) to 150
Adamreeves folds.
KrosBonz folds.
mikedisa calls (150)
MayNight folds.
Bstudder folds.
riddick72 calls (120)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 2d, 6c ]
riddick72 checks.
packattack88 checks.
mikedisa bets (250)
riddick72 folds.
packattack88 calls (250)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
packattack88 checks.
mikedisa bets (250)
packattack88 raises (935) to 935
packattack88 is all-In.
mikedisa calls (240)
mikedisa is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ]
Creating Main Pot with $1945 with mikedisa
Creating Side Pot 1 with $445 with packattack88
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1945 | Side Pot 1: 445
Board: [ 4h 2d 6c 8s 4s ]
Bstudder balance 1375, lost 15 (folded)
riddick72 balance 620, lost 150 (folded)
packattack88 balance 445, bet 1335, collected 445, lost -890 [ Ac As ] [ two pairs, aces and fours -- Ac,As,8s,4h,4s ]
Adamreeves balance 1480, didn't bet (folded)
KrosBonz balance 1175, didn't bet (folded)
mikedisa balance 1945, bet 890, collected 1945, net +1055 [ 8h 8c ] [ a full house, Eights full of fours -- 8h,8c,8s,4h,4s ]
MayNight balance 960, didn't bet (folded)

[mbe369]

I don't see why you didn't want to win it on the flop. Giving up the lead was a mistake.

[sffan72]

Why did you check the flop?

Considering you raised significantly preflop, I would've led out with a bet on the flop (maybe even push all-in here). For pocket aces, that's a pretty beautiful flop-- no pairs, no face cards, rainbow... the only thing you really need to worry about is the set. (Yes there could be some joker who calls with 3-5, but what are the odds? ;) )

And then once a bet is made on the flop, why not check-raise then? With two opponents, a large enough raise might get them to lay down. Though judging from the hand history, I suspect mike's chips are going in no matter what. But put them to the decision then, don't wait for another card...

Of course, the end result was horribly unlucky...

[HalAshton]

Don't check that flop!!

You have three people in the hand and one checked already. You cannot give a free card to somone holding a 5 or a 3. I think 300 or so is about right at that flop. mikedisa would have folded or raised all in. If they push all in you lose 1 in about 10 times....I like those odds

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=260982
pokenum -h ac as - 8h 8c -- 4h 2d 6c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6c 2d 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 875 88.38 99 10.00 16 1.62 0.892
8c 8h 99 10.00 875 88.38 16 1.62 0.108

[packattack88]

I was trying to trap him. I thought that calling the 250 chip bet after the flop was a good trap move. When he bet the 250 into the 950 chip bet, he showed weakness, hence why I put him all in. I think it was worth it though, since 90% of the time, I'll not only win that hand, but it will put me in the money. Still, I'm thinking that since he did have an overpair after the flop with his eights, that he would have stayed in anyway. Thanks for the feedback though.

[HalAshton]

Don't slow play one pair, it is a very vunerable hand.

You need a nut or near nut hand to slow play. It is even hard to slow play trips, you have to make sure there is no flush or straight draws.

[BadBeatBasti]

There are million of poker stories, threads and bad beat stories about how people lost with AA. Two things I have to say that:

1. Don't slow play it!

2. Take it like a man when you lose!

[aseyer]

Anyway you play this, I think your losing your stack on this hand. I don't think there is a way you could have made 88 lay down his hand.

Let's think about how 88 is thinking about this flop.

I'm holding 88 in late postion (one off the button). UTG raises 5X big blind. Everyfolds to me. I smooth call, BB calls.

Flop comes out rags. Beautiful. I've got an overpair. There is a flush draw on board though.....UTG probably has AK here, maybe AQ. Is it suited? Is it diamonds....BB checks, opening raiser checks. Ok, I am definitely think AK here. Or he has an overpair also....He'd bet that wouldn't he?

88 mistake (IMO) was here (As was yours)....88 bets out 250 into a 450 pot.

Here's why I don't like this. This gives BB and PFR the opportunity to reraise me, Which AA should have done. AA should have gone all in to counter the raise. He MAY have won the pot right there, but this flop is damn good for 88, and there is a high chance he would call all in. Checking here for 88 is a great move, possibly gives him a free card to his trips. Even though it gives a free card to the flush draw that is out there, 88 is not a lock on this hand, and 250 is not a big enough bet to get rid of the flush draw.

The turn was played perfectly by 88. He rebet the pot was the same amount, rather than increasing his bet, signaling weakness. Your AA comes of the top, no way 88 folds, and your sunk with no help on the river.

On the turn, you had no way to know the 8 helped him, but I really think you were losing your stack no matter what.

There is one way you MAY have won this pot, and that is by altering your preflop play. If you really wanted to trap someone you could have not raised UTG. I am not a huge fan of slowplaying, but if you have faith in your post flop play and are not addicted to AA postflop, go ahead with it. Since you were willing to do it postflop, obviously this option is available to you. 88 would have likely raised to you, which would have given you the oppuntity to come over the top all in. At that point there is a chance 88 would laydown.