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Old Apr 03, 2005, 3:55pm   #11
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I see. By raising on the flop, or just betting it if I'm first, it's cheaper for them to stay in, and it doesn't change the odds as much as raising a big bet on the turn. And by building the pot, it makes 'em want to stay in more at the turn. I do hate giving people free cards though, if I have AA or KK on a two-suited board even if I have one.

Although I gotta say the folks that play rags may very well not be thinking as deeply as that. There's no way that a guy who plays J 4o not in the blinds grasps pot odds, right?
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Old Apr 03, 2005, 4:17pm   #12
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You cannot protect your hand against flush draws, only evetually in very small pots.

If noone has bet out on you on the flop you should usually still bet. Only if there's a better in front of you, you might want to wait till the turn with a vulnerable hand which can easily be crippled when certain cards fall on the turn.
When a blank falls you raise and protect your hand with now 2BB to the other callers, when a scarecard falls you might just call/fold (depends)...
(Usually when the pot is huge, you still want to buy some outs then by rasing...)
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Old Apr 03, 2005, 5:42pm   #13
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Xen, Kc,

In your opinion, would SSHL be a useful read for low buyin (eg $100) NLHE games? What about HPFAP (I've read and continue to reread Theory of Poker)?

FYI I'm averaging about 10BB/hr, so hopefully I'm past the beginner stage, but don't want to waste time reading LHE books.

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Old Apr 03, 2005, 7:47pm   #14
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No, I don't think it will help alot in No Limit. It's real different.
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SSHE is going to fuck so many people up. I've been saying this for months and I'm repeatedly proven right. It's like building a house without a roof, you're going to end up cold and wet. Like trying to dance before you've evolved legs.

Read Lee Jones' Winning Low Limit Hold'Em, then read it again, then play some, then read SSHE again

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I think there is a lot of truth to this.

When I first read it I had a BIG set back and ended up testing the theories out at micro limits for a while til I became more comfortable with them. After I returned to my usual game though I noticed a BIG improvement. I had been missing lots of opportunities to draw out on my opponents.
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Old May 09, 2005, 6:14am   #16
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What are the main draw backs with WLLH? I have read that book a couple times and am about to read SSH because I have heard they somewhat compliment each other with opposing styles.

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There are a lot of little "errors" in Jones' approach, he's trying to lower your variance while sacrificing a little in EV. SSHE tries to plug all those little gaps.

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Old May 09, 2005, 3:18pm   #18
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In WLLH you are looking for reasons to fold, in SSH you learn to squeeze value out even of marginal hands and maximise the chance of winning big pots.
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Old May 09, 2005, 4:05pm   #19
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Are those the best limit books out right now? I am currently playing .5/1 online but plan on moving up as the bankroll allows. In the casino I play 3/6 and will probly stay there a while.
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Yes, I think we can savely recommend you SSH. It's not a beginner book, it's an advanced book and it's good that you have read WLLH before.

SSH will now help you to make some changes into self-confident and more profitable play.

And yes, I think these are the best books on low limit hold'em.
The rest has mostly ebook value.
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