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Old May 22, 2005, 6:07pm   #11
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Old May 25, 2005, 7:34pm   #12
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The only thing I can see is to be a little more aggresive preflop. Raise more when you have position against loose preflop limpers, and attempt to steal the blinds more often as well.
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Old May 25, 2005, 7:50pm   #13
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the main problem i have with Limit is exactly what was posted above me. You cant make it really pricey for people to get in. If you're sitting there with a nice hand, and everyone is calling your raises because you can only raise 2x bb or whatever, you're going to see a lot more of those people who "just limp in" calling you. then when the flop hits, they pair up q/9 or whatever, while you just pair Aces.
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Here are the stats from some proven winners at 2/4 and 3/6, courtesy of 'CallMeIshmael "


Introduction:

The intent of this post is NOT to have players change their game in an effort
to make their stats look more like those presented.

This post is intended to give people who are curious about their stats an idea as
to where other winning players stand. The one-half standard deviation range about
the mean is probably a good range for your stats to be in.

It is very likely that winning players exist whose stats fall outside of many
or all of these ranges. Likewise, it is very likely that some losing players
have stats which fall within all of these ranges.

Stats are great for plugging large leaks. If a player has a VPIP of 8.2% or 34.1%,
they clearly are not playing an optimul number of hands. Examining stats will not
take a 1.5BB/100 winner, and turn him/her into a 2.2BB/100 winner. These improvements
need play time and hand posts.

You might be calling the correct pecentage of river bets, but that doesn't tell us
that you are calling the RIGHT rivers.


Preface:

The two most commonly used statistics when measuring a group of data are: mean
and standard variation.

Mean: This is simply the average. You add all the numbers together, and divide
by the total number of observations.

Standard Deviation: This is the measure of spread. I will leave the complicated
formula out of this. Basically, the further the data tends to fall from the mean, the
greater the standard deviation.

For example:

{5,7,9,11,13} and {1,3,9,15,17}

have the same mean: 9, but the second set has a greater standard deviation.

In addition to these two statistics, the following will also be used:

A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: This is a range that measures

from
0.5 standard deviations below the mean to 0.5 standard deviations above the mean.

For example: In a data set with: mean = 10; standard deviation = 6;

This range is: 7 - 13.

Min: Smallest datum in the set.

Max: Largest datum in the set.


Methodology:

I asked for stat submissions from 2/4 and 3/6 players in the small stakes forum.

I received 21 sets of stats from 2/4 players and 10 from 3/6 players.

(This ended up being roughly 504,000 hands for 2/4 and 313,000 for 3/6).

Using S-Plus software, I proceeded to compute the data in the preface.


Findings:

2/4:

VPIP:

Mean: 17.9
Standard Deviation: 3.18
Min: 13.13
Max: 27.75
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.31-19.49


VPIP in SB:

Mean: 30.24
Standard Deviation: 6.09
Min: 20.91
Max: 48.78
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 27.19-33.28


Folded SB to steal:

Mean: 83.01
Standard Deviation: 7.20
Min: 67.88
Max: 91.43
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 79.41-86.61


Folded BB to steal:

Mean: 63.09
Standard Deviation: 13.51
Min: 20.51
Max: 79.12
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 56.33-69.84


Attempted to steal blinds:

Mean: 27.19
Standard Deviation: 4.70
Min: 19.29
Max: 33.33
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.84-29.54


Won $ WSF:

Mean: 33.27
Standard Deviation: 2.28
Min: 29.60
Max: 37.89
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 32.13-34.41


Went to SD %:

Mean: 31.73
Standard Deviation: 3.11
Min: 26.74
Max: 37.99
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 30.18-33.29


Won $ at SD %:

Mean: 53.87
Standard Deviation: 3.73
Min: 47.77
Max: 60.17
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 52.00-55.73


Preflop Raise %:

Mean: 9.22
Standard Deviation: 1.56
Min: 6.84
Max: 12.56
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 8.44-10.00


Flop aggression factor:

Mean: 2.85
Standard Deviation: 0.64
Min: 1.86
Max: 3.98
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.53-3.17


Turn aggression factor:

Mean: 2.82
Standard Deviation: 0.35
Min: 2.12
Max: 3.55
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.64-2.99


River aggression factor:

Mean: 2.10
Standard Deviation: 0.24
Min: 1.60
Max: 2.55
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 1.98-2.22


Folded to river bet %:

Mean: 45.84
Standard Deviation: 4.73
Min: 34.81
Max: 56.22
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 43.48-48.21


VPIP from button:

Mean: 20.02
Standard Deviation: 3.50
Min: 15.95
Max: 28.33
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 18.27-21.77


VPIP from one off Button:

Mean: 17.86
Standard Deviation: 2.96
Min: 13.16
Max: 26.82
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.38-19.34


VPIP from two off Button:

Mean: 16.48
Standard Deviation: 3.00
Min: 11.71
Max: 25.24
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 14.97-17.98


VPIP from three off Button:

Mean: 15.35
Standard Deviation: 3.25
Min: 11.66
Max: 25.29
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.72-16.97


VPIP from four off Button:

Mean: 14.79
Standard Deviation: 3.54
Min: 9.80
Max: 24.41
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.02-16.56


VPIP from five off Button:

Mean: 14.49
Standard Deviation: 2.92
Min: 9.58
Max: 23.72
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.03-15.95


VPIP from six off Button:

Mean: 14.60
Standard Deviation: 3.14
Min: 9.57
Max: 23.66
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.03-16.17


VPIP from seven off Button:

Mean: 14.25
Standard Deviation: 3.54
Min: 7.44
Max: 24.08
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.47-16.02


VPIP from BB:

Mean: 17.23
Standard Deviation: 4.39
Min: 11.86
Max: 29.46
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 15.03-19.43


Loss from BB:

Mean: 0.18
Standard Deviation: 0.05
Min: 0.08
Max: 0.28
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.15-0.20


Loss from SB:

Mean: 0.11
Standard Deviation: 0.05
Min: 0.02
Max: 0.21
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.09-0.14



3/6:


VPIP:

Mean: 17.63
Standard Deviation: 2.92
Min: 14.46
Max: 22.75
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.18-19.09


VPIP in SB:

Mean: 24.14
Standard Deviation: 5.17
Min: 18.64
Max: 31.21
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 21.55-26.72


Folded SB to steal:

Mean: 84.12
Standard Deviation: 5.01
Min: 77.67
Max: 91.25
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 81.61-86.62


Folded BB to steal:

Mean: 62.92
Standard Deviation: 12.92
Min: 44.69
Max: 78.65
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 56.46-69.38


Attempted to steal blinds:

Mean: 27.34
Standard Deviation: 6.29
Min: 15.67
Max: 38.62
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.19-30.48


Won $ WSF:

Mean: 37.00
Standard Deviation: 2.72
Min: 32.90
Max: 40.96
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 35.64-38.36


Went to SD %:

Mean: 34.50
Standard Deviation: 3.51
Min: 31.24
Max: 41.96
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 32.74-36.25


Won $ at SD %:

Mean: 53.74
Standard Deviation: 3.46
Min: 48.91
Max: 60.36
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 52.01-55.48


Preflop Raise %:

Mean: 9.63
Standard Deviation: 1.73
Min: 6.72
Max: 12.38
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 8.77-10.50


Flop aggression factor:

Mean: 2.90
Standard Deviation: 0.58
Min: 1.92
Max: 3.82
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.61-3.16


Turn aggression factor:

Mean: 2.89
Standard Deviation: 0.55
Min: 1.92
Max: 3.82
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 2.62-3.16


River aggression factor:

Mean: 1.94
Standard Deviation: 0.27
Min: 1.63
Max: 2.47
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 1.80-2.07


Folded to river bet %:

Mean: 40.44
Standard Deviation: 7.50
Min: 21.55
Max: 47.61
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 36.69-44.19


VPIP from button:

Mean: 20.45
Standard Deviation: 3.63
Min: 16.57
Max: 25.61
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 18.63-22.27


VPIP from one off Button:

Mean: 18.34
Standard Deviation: 2.88
Min: 14.84
Max: 23.66
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.90-19.78


VPIP from two off Button:

Mean: 17.36
Standard Deviation: 2.93
Min: 13.51
Max: 23.16
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 15.90-18.82


VPIP from three off Button:

Mean: 16.06
Standard Deviation: 3.71
Min: 12.79
Max: 22.29
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 14.21-17.92


VPIP from four off Button:

Mean: 15.01
Standard Deviation: 2.94
Min: 12.04
Max: 20.12
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 13.54-16.48


VPIP from five off Button:

Mean: 14.33
Standard Deviation: 2.97
Min: 10.38
Max: 19.81
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.84-15.82


VPIP from six off Button:

Mean: 13.70
Standard Deviation: 2.77
Min: 10.12
Max: 19.48
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.31-15.09


VPIP from seven off Button:

Mean: 14.35
Standard Deviation: 3.01
Min: 9.29
Max: 18.44
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 12.85-15.86


VPIP from BB:

Mean: 18.30
Standard Deviation: 4.19
Min: 12.55
Max: 23.66
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 16.21-20.40


Loss from BB:

Mean: 0.19
Standard Deviation: 0.06
Min: 0.08
Max: 0.26
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.16-0.22


Loss from SB:

Mean: 0.06
Standard Deviation: 0.02
Min: 0.04
Max: 0.09
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 0.05-0.07
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Old May 25, 2005, 9:42pm   #15
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Originally Posted by madscout
The only thing I can see is to be a little more aggresive preflop. Raise more when you have position against loose preflop limpers, and attempt to steal the blinds more often as well.
I like his AF, it shows he is selective agressive, not dumb agressive.
A little higher would be fine too, but most players I see with a higher one, overplay their hands frequently (like when raising preflop then always betting the flop, regardless of the circumstances) or are way too tight preflop.
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