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Old Jun 05, 2005, 4:00am   #1
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Default 5-10 no limit game at The Rio

At a 5-10 no limit hold'em game at the rio 2 players called the first bet then the small blind raised the bet $100. On the button w/ 88 should I call this bet?
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Old Jun 05, 2005, 9:06am   #2
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i wouldnt unless you had a read on him and thought he just wanted blinds...which the bet kinda looks like. With a high pocket pair hed probably want some callers. of course, with 8s he could have 2 overcards and beat you off the river, who knows.
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Old Jun 05, 2005, 7:52pm   #3
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You need to know a bit more first. Are raises like this standard for the table? Are they standard for him? Does he like to do this a lot? If you don't know anything about the player, then fold. Sometimes people will do big raises with low pocket pairs to "protect" their hands. Then you might have him really beat. If you think he had two over cards, then you could call and play the flop if you are comfortable doing that. Tom McEnvoy has a rule that he would call any pocket pairs if the bet is less than a 7th of his stack.

There are so many questions that you can ask yourself in this situtation. Try to answer the most that you can and make your best decision.
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Old Jun 11, 2005, 12:02pm   #4
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At a 5-10 no limit hold'em game at the rio 2 players called the first bet then the small blind raised the bet $100. On the button w/ 88 should I call this bet?
You forgot the single most important fact about your question - how deep were your stacks? You need to have a deep enough stack (more importantly, so does he) to make calling here correct. You also have to know he'll pay you off.
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Old Jun 12, 2005, 8:06am   #5
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I like a fold here. I have the impression that he has a higher pocket pair he is trying to protect. A lot of fish do not know how to play those upper teir middle pocket pairs (99, 1010, JJ) so they just make a very large raise trying to take the pot right there. That is based on no information but I would not call this unless you had a great read on him.
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Old Jun 13, 2005, 6:17am   #6
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A fold is absolutely wrong if his stack is deep enough. This is cash, not a tournament. You lose a lot of money folding any pocket pair in this spot with deep stacks. And your average player loses a lot of money raising out of the SB with most hands.
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Old Jun 13, 2005, 9:06am   #7
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Good point because if it cost you $100 and you have $1500 in front of you and your opponent had about the same then a call is of course in order. But from the looks of things and the way he described the play it looks to me like he did not have that much money in front of him. BTW I noticed you commented on the whole tournament/cash game scenario. I have noticed this same thing in cash and tournament poker. Remember 5/10 is not a very expensive table for a casino so it is very possible to be sitting with a bunch of extremely poor players.
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Old Jun 13, 2005, 11:54am   #8
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In the absence of any player or stack size info, calling off up to about 5% of your stack with a pair from LP is standard, and a larger amount may be fine too. You didn't say if any others called the raise: if so, having the raiser on your immediate left is nice too.

If your and his stacks are large enough (say at least 1500), I think this is one of the few times in poker where you can say it's right to do something.
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