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Old Sep 30, 2005, 12:26pm   #11
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And if you guys read the post again, Arcuelesta was allin with his re-re-raise to 11.

So back to AJS, he's looking at putting in 20 bucks to win 40 from this point on if melizzle stays in. And 10 bucks to win 20 if he doesn't.

Good play in my book.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 12:27pm   #12
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O-zone, having 3 dollars invested is immaterial. Having your whole stack invested is immaterial. The concept of being invested is immaterial. It should never even be considered.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 12:39pm   #13
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What are the odds of completing your flush draw?

Hint: not high enough to make 2-1 pot odds enticing enough to call.
But the odds for turn and river are roughly 2-1.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 2:54pm   #14
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After the flop i would have checked to see if anyone had made a hand, it's obvious a flush draw only occurs in like 30 percent of the time with 9 outs in your case. So it's better imo to go for the freecard and when the next card comes up as an x card of clubs you'll have the nutflush and you can play out it. In this case I would have folded if he gave me that kind of action.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 3:57pm   #15
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This is getting fun.

Here's what I know about flush draws. To try to hit your flush with 1 card, it's 4:1 against. But if you are able to see both the turn and river, it's 2:1. I didn't realize the raiser was all-in, which is a good point.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 8:53pm   #16
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What are the odds of completing your flush draw?

Hint: not high enough to make 2-1 pot odds enticing enough to call.
But the odds for turn and river are roughly 2-1.
WRONG. 1.86 to 1
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 9:20pm   #17
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The made set is also drawing to a full house. The odds of the flush draw winning the hand are 1:2.91.
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Old Sep 30, 2005, 9:57pm   #18
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If you're going to look at the pot odds, you have to consider the fact that one of the players more than likely has a set (I would have figured it to be arcalusta, but nonetheless). In this case, the flush draw is a behind 75-25, as opposed to the standard 66-33 scenario for a flush draw. Therefore, for pot odds to apply you need the pot to be $60 to call a $20 bet....3-1, not 2-1...
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warning: do not payeattention to my nonsensical ramblings in this post, or in other recent ones. I was/am not not in a statesm fof omind.

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Old Oct 03, 2005, 4:39pm   #20
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Ok,

So the issue is drawing against the possible set.
Reading your posts and running the hand simulator it is clear that if there is a set out there I no longer have the odds to make the move I did.

Since the pot odds were so close to make my move anyway, THE POSSIBILITY of somone having a set pushes this hand into the fold catagory.

THANKS for all the feedback; helped me peal just a little deeper into the onion on this one. (Think KC started that analogy and... DAMN it's a good one)
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