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Old Oct 23, 2005, 4:58am   #1
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Hi, exceedingly loose table. View flop percentage is over 60%. I just sat down, but this appears to be true from what I've seen so far.

----HAND 5------
Game #1127234183: Hold'em FL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/10/23 - 00:51:49 (ET)
Table "Opus" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Sisko99 ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 2: xxSPINxx ($17.12 in chips)
Seat 3: Lucky217 ($10.42 in chips)
Seat 4: Louie7717 ($13 in chips)
Seat 5: Buster52 ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 6: JF33023 ($15.05 in chips)
Seat 7: machinexx ($46.77 in chips)
Seat 8: Stevessub ($18.37 in chips)
Seat 9: URmyBank ($36.20 in chips)
Seat 10: fauntlero ($20.13 in chips)
Buster52: posts small blind $0.15
JF33023: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Sisko99 [Kh Jc]
machinexx: calls $0.25
Stevessub: folds
URmyBank: calls $0.25
fauntlero: folds
Sisko99: calls $0.25
xxSPINxx: calls $0.25
Lucky217: calls $0.25
Louie7717: folds
Buster52: calls $0.10
JF33023: checks
----- FLOP ----- [6h 7h Td]
Buster52: bets $0.25
JF33023: folds
JF33023 sits out
machinexx: calls $0.25
URmyBank: calls $0.25
Sisko99: calls $0.25
JF33023 sits back
xxSPINxx: calls $0.25
Lucky217: raises $0.50
Buster52: calls $0.25
machinexx: calls $0.25
URmyBank: calls $0.25
Sisko99: calls $0.25
xxSPINxx: calls $0.25
----- TURN ----- [6h 7h Td][Jh]
Buster52: checks
machinexx: checks
URmyBank: checks
Sisko99: bets $0.50
xxSPINxx: calls $0.50
Lucky217: calls $0.50
Buster52: folds
machinexx: calls $0.50
URmyBank: folds
----- RIVER ----- [6h 7h Td Jh][4c]
machinexx: checks
Sisko99: bets $0.50
xxSPINxx: folds
Lucky217: calls $0.50
machinexx: calls $0.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Sisko99: shows [Kh Jc] (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
Lucky217: mucks hand
machinexx: shows [9d 8c] (A Straight, Jack high)
machinexx collected $7.85 from Main pot

I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a better way to play this. On the flop I figured I had 6 outs, plus a backdoor flush draw, so I called the first bet. Had it been raised before it got to me I probably would have folded. Once it was raised and came back around, I figured I had odds again, since my other money was already in, is this correct thinking? Then I figured I was ahead, didn't put the guy on the straight at all. Figured he was calling down with 10's or something, maybe that was a mistake too. Anyway, thoughts? Thanks.
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 5:08am   #2
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I would have folded the flop. I have King high against a possible flopped str8, no reason to stick around after the flop.

You had a flush draw on the turn, but not the nut flush.
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Interesting. Good point. I didn't really consider the straight. Thanks.
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 5:42am   #4
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I raise preflop in attempt to knock people out. And once I see that flop with that many people still in the game I definetly fold.
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 7:03am   #5
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IMH(newbie)O:
If you're going to play KJ off, from MP, you should probably be raising pre-flop on a loose table to get the extra payoff when it hits big on the flop. If the flop comes and doesn't help you, and puts a possible flopped straight plus a flush draw with that many people coming in... someone hit it, time to call it a day.

The backdoor draws are only good to consider when you think the field is extremely week and the flop didn't help anyone... or when you have something like TPTK and you're giving weight to your hand to help your decision making process.

Speaking of KJo... just got paid off with it hehe.
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 7:42am   #6
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Meh, raising preflop from middle position....KJo hmmm... I guess this would depend on just how aggrressive you wish your style to be.

Personally, I would not raise here with it due to the limp under the gun, I'm not thrilled with the second limper in front of me either. Now, if it was soooted, I'm all about the preflop raise here, but offsuit....meh, I guess it would be close. When it comes right down to it you have a one gap offsuit connector that is mediocre in multiway pots. A raise at the quarter tables does not induce many folds, if any.

EDIT: Notice the hand that beat him was one of thse first two limpers. They are not folding to a preflop raise. (Wow, 89o UTG, I miss those days....)
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:37pm   #7
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Give your overcards at most 3 outs, the BDFD is the 2nd nuts so maybe 1 outs and about 1 out for the BDSD where you would need the Q on either turn or river and either 9 or A.

A flopcall is ok if you are really confident you do not get raised behind you.
I would probably only call with really passives behind me or closing the action, otherwise it's to thin to call.
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