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Old Nov 12, 2005, 1:04am   #1
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I play at Pacific and Bodog and have become a winning player at the $25 nl tables on both sites (thanks in large part to this forum).

My problem is that when I try to move up to the $50 table, I routinely lose several days worth of gains, and end up moving back down a level.

At the $50 tables it seems that the play is sometimes even worse than at the $25 table. I see giant pots decided between two low pairs when the board has 3 cards to a flush on it. I see multiple callers of pre-flop raises, and overall bad play, like the entire table limping in hand after hand.

I just can't figure out what my problem is. I do get plenty of bad beats and big losing hands like set over set, but this also happens on the $25 tables, where I am an overall winner. Also at times, I am outplayed at both levels.

Does anyone else see a difference in their skills at these two levels? Is there a big leap in ability that I am not noticing, because I am still a novice? Any suggestions for cracking the $50 level?
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Old Nov 12, 2005, 1:15am   #2
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How many hands is this over (for each of 25NL and 50NL)?

Why do you move back down to 25NL again? What's your bankroll? Are you multitabling?
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Old Nov 12, 2005, 1:57am   #3
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When my bankroll gets to around $600-$700 on a site, I'll dabble in the $50 tables. When I take a hit of a couple of hundred dollars or so, my bankroll becomes an issue, so I move back down (I like my bankroll high in relation to the level I play at). Also, I get to feeling like I'm outclassed when I'm unable to win at this level, so I stop.

I know I really should keep records (I don't think PokerTracker works on Bodog). I've played far more at the $25 table than at the $50 table. As an estimate, I don't think I've sat through more than 500 hands at the $50 table. But I've been playing heavily since September, mostly at $25.

I play two tables at once, one at Pacific, one at Bodog.

I realize that my sample isn't big enough, but I do notice a losing trend that I don't see at $25.
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Old Nov 12, 2005, 1:01pm   #4
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You're not bankrolled sufficiently for 50NL. Search this site and you'll find that you should have at least 20 buy ins. The knowledge that you don't have much margin for bad beats may well be affecting your play.
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Thank you NorthView.
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Old Nov 20, 2005, 1:49am   #6
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So youre saying it would be a good idea to have 1000$ to play at 50cents NL tables? It seems very high to me.
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Ever experienced a downswing of 10 buy-ins? Once this happens to you, you will know why it is a good idea to be properly bankrolled.
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Old Nov 20, 2005, 3:49am   #8
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You're not bankrolled sufficiently for 50NL. Search this site and you'll find that you should have at least 20 buy ins. The knowledge that you don't have much margin for bad beats may well be affecting your play.
I think TG said somewhere (maybe in his e-book) that 1000 big blinds (10 buy-ins) would be the minimum not 2000. I agree that you want a ton of buy-ins for the level you are at.
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Old Nov 20, 2005, 9:10am   #9
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I (and others I play with) would respectfully disagree.
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Old Nov 20, 2005, 10:50am   #10
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If your bankroll is all you have to play with, then have at least 20 buy-ins is the advice I've seen most commonly.
If you're happy to replenish your bankroll from another source of income, play whatever you fancy.

Phil, if you can beat NL25, you can beat NL50 (and NL100, certainly at Partypoker). 500 hands is a very small sample. It is also very common to play differently when you change levels - everything suddenly costs double - so this may affect you as well. Stick with your game and the results will follow you.
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