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Old Mar 15, 2006, 10:22pm   #1
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evening all, had a wee break from poker and got back into it again tonight. It's amazing what a break does as i quite enjoyed this! (although i am a bit of a masochist )


Full Tilt Poker Game #501147113: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (3266781),
Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:09:36 ET - 2006/03/15
Seat 1: CAM215 (1,130)
Seat 2: No 9 DavidHurst (4,470)
Seat 4: Sweets19 (5,200)
Seat 6: methos40 (1,370)
Seat 9: crazythumbs (1,330)
No 9 DavidHurst posts the small blind of 100
Sweets19 posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to No 9 DavidHurst [9h 4d]
methos40 folds
crazythumbs folds
CAM215 folds
No 9 DavidHurst calls 100
Sweets19 checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Qh 7s]
No 9 DavidHurst bets 200
Sweets19: guess you had my 8's beat
Sweets19 raises to 400
No 9 DavidHurst calls 200
*** TURN *** [4s Qh 7s] [4c]
No 9 DavidHurst: had 22
No 9 DavidHurst bets 600
Sweets19: nice bet
Sweets19 raises to 1,200
No 9 DavidHurst: ty
No 9 DavidHurst: how about this?
No 9 DavidHurst has 15 seconds left to act
No 9 DavidHurst raises to 3,870, and is all in
Sweets19: got ya this time though
Sweets19: really???
No 9 DavidHurst: yep
Sweets19 has 15 seconds left to act
Sweets19 calls 2,670
No 9 DavidHurst shows [9h 4d]
Sweets19 shows [7h Qs]
Sweets19: nh
*** RIVER *** [4s Qh 7s 4c] [7d]
No 9 DavidHurst shows a full house, Fours full of Sevens
Sweets19 shows a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Sweets19 wins the pot (8,940) with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
No 9 DavidHurst: lol
No 9 DavidHurst stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,940 | Rake 0
Board: [4s Qh 7s 4c 7d]
Seat 1: CAM215 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: No 9 DavidHurst (small blind) showed [9h 4d] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Sevens
Seat 4: Sweets19 (big blind) showed [7h Qs] and won (8,940) with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Seat 6: methos40 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: crazythumbs didn't bet (folded)
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Old Mar 15, 2006, 11:56pm   #2
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I've never seen so many misplays by two people in one hand. That's awesome.
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Old Mar 17, 2006, 4:42pm   #3
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glad you enjoyed it!

Seriously though i'm interested on your thoughts on how i played it. This is my view.
I'm heads up with the BB so i'm happy to call the 100 with 3:1 odds.
I hit the flop so i make a half pot sized bet and get raised a further 200.
So i have to put in another 200 into a pot of 1000, which at 5:1 is very compelling even with just bottom pair.
I hit another 4 on the turn so now all i have to do is figure out how to get all his money in the middle which didn't prove too hard.

Appreciate any comments

Cheesy
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Old Mar 17, 2006, 5:20pm   #4
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glad you enjoyed it!

Seriously though i'm interested on your thoughts on how i played it. This is my view.
I'm heads up with the BB so i'm happy to call the 100 with 3:1 odds.
I hit the flop so i make a half pot sized bet and get raised a further 200.
So i have to put in another 200 into a pot of 1000, which at 5:1 is very compelling even with just bottom pair.
I hit another 4 on the turn so now all i have to do is figure out how to get all his money in the middle which didn't prove too hard.

Appreciate any comments

Cheesy
if he only had a pair of queens after the flop you are still about and 3:1 dog to improve by the river and about an 8:1 dog to improve on the turn. Being that he had two pair you you were 9:1 dog to improve by the river, and a 22:1 dog to improve by the turn.

Chances are you are not putting anymore money into this pot unimproved on the turn so this is definetely -EV call. Not to mention that you really dont need to take on the big stack at the table because you are both sitting with sizable stacks with three low stacks that you can each just pick off one by one.
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Old Mar 17, 2006, 7:39pm   #5
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Yeah, I don't think it was well-played at all, for many of the same reasons as the above poster (which is odd, because we've disagreed in the past on such things. ).

All I meant was it was funny that you told your opponent you had it (WHY?!) and yet he stilled called (WHY?!). My guess is you didn't intend this to be reverse psychology, especially given your post title, and so the only question that remains for me is which one of you screwed up more in this hand.

And I did enjoy it, honestly.
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Old Mar 18, 2006, 7:26am   #6
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glad you enjoyed it!

Seriously though i'm interested on your thoughts on how i played it. This is my view.
I'm heads up with the BB so i'm happy to call the 100 with 3:1 odds.
I hit the flop so i make a half pot sized bet and get raised a further 200.
So i have to put in another 200 into a pot of 1000, which at 5:1 is very compelling even with just bottom pair.
I hit another 4 on the turn so now all i have to do is figure out how to get all his money in the middle which didn't prove too hard.

Appreciate any comments

Cheesy


if he only had a pair of queens after the flop you are still about and 3:1 dog to improve by the river and about an 8:1 dog to improve on the turn. Being that he had two pair you you were 9:1 dog to improve by the river, and a 22:1 dog to improve by the turn.

Chances are you are not putting anymore money into this pot unimproved on the turn so this is definetely -EV call. Not to mention that you really dont need to take on the big stack at the table because you are both sitting with sizable stacks with three low stacks that you can each just pick off one by one.
I find this quite interesting.
What was to say he had the queen? I had hit my 4 and was first to act. No way am i checking to him as i need to know where i am. (Are you suggesting i should have? this is way to passive for my liking) So i put in a standard half sized pot bet which was raised by a rather undaunting 200. Would you have folded at this point?
Like i said, i like the odds i'm getting so i call
Also if i call i'm thinking there could be a chance that the hand would be checked down to the end. The guy could just as easily have a 4 or a 7 and i might just be bluffing at the pot with nothing which i'd done against him in previous hands with similar sized bets.
TWLLM, the title of the post was meant to be sarcastic I'd been in a few pots with this guy and my gut feeling told me it was the perfect time for a bit of reverse psychology! And it felt so sweet when he did call......untill i saw that river card

Thanks again for your comments, perhaps i need to reassess my thinking!
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Old Mar 18, 2006, 8:29pm   #7
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I think he played that alright.

Preflop, definitely ditch unless you think that you can steal the pot either by raising now, or by calling and betting out on the flop.

After that move fails, fold. If you would not have bet had you totally missed the flop, you should not bet if you hit bottom pair, no kicker.

Edit>> To clarify, by "he played that alright" I was talking about the opponent.

Then the rest of the post was about your play. I'm not sure what I'd do on that turn. When you have a vulnerable hand like that, reads are important, so I didn't comment on that street.
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 1:45am   #8
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Honestly, I think the preflop and flop play were poor - after that, he pushed in with the best hand. I'm not intending to criticize in a demeaning manner, I was just joking around with the OP that it was funny to see so many mistakes by both players in one hand. All in good fun.

But seriously, for the OP, if Fox thinks you played it well then listen to him - he knows way more than I do, especially about this form of holdem. (I'm not a tournament or NL specialist by any means). So don't be discouraged by my comments OP.
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