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Old Apr 03, 2006, 9:18am   #1
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How would you have played this river.... or the whole hand whatever:

Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: dungdenvn ( $52.97 )
Seat 2: rcwei ( $35.22 )
Seat 4: JesusLovesYou ( $116.58 )
Seat 5: avidahadi ( $52.95 )
Seat 6: Perussilakka ( $48.75 )
JesusLovesYou posts small blind [$0.25].
avidahadi posts big blind [$0.50].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to JesusLovesYou [ Kh Kc ]

Perussilakka folds.
dungdenvn calls [$0.50].
rcwei calls [$0.50].
JesusLovesYou raises [$2.75].
avidahadi calls [$2.50].
dungdenvn calls [$2.50].
rcwei folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Kd, 2d ]

JesusLovesYou checks.
avidahadi bets [$3.64].
dungdenvn folds.
JesusLovesYou calls [$3.64].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]

JesusLovesYou checks.
avidahadi bets [$9.23].
JesusLovesYou raises [$24.27].
avidahadi calls [$15.04].

** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]

JesusLovesYou is all-In [$85.67]
avidahadi folds.
JesusLovesYou does not show cards.
JesusLovesYou wins $148.99

What should I have done here you think? On the river could I have got more out of him? Obviously I went all in to act like a bluff. I thought he was pot commited, he had just put $30 in so he must have a good hand.... What would you have done?
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 12:08pm   #2
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If I do the math, he had about $20 left.

The guy clearly has a good hand, or he was on a draw.
If he's on a draw, and missed it, he's going to fold regardless of what you bet. If he hold something like AK or KQ, he will be very scared because of the Check raise.
I would suggest a bet he can't fold to like a $12 or $15 bet.
If you do that and the person was not on a draw, you will most likely be called, or even get a raise because you leave him with so little chips.
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 12:26pm   #3
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The opposite this time. I always screw up my timing. I figured I didnt want to scare the guy off. So I just value bet, when looking back he had 2 pair and prob wud have gone all in:

Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: dungdenvn ( $41.67 )
Seat 4: JesusLovesYou ( $134.43 )
Seat 6: Perussilakka ( $43.11 )
Seat 2: ToeBone ( $58.60 )
Seat 5: koowee ( $17.60 )
Seat 3: redds212 ( $50.80 )
ToeBone posts small blind [$0.25].
redds212 posts big blind [$0.50].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to JesusLovesYou [ Kc Ks ]

JesusLovesYou raises [$2].
koowee calls [$2].
Perussilakka folds.
dungdenvn folds.
ToeBone calls [$1.75].
redds212 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 5s, Kh ]

ToeBone checks.
JesusLovesYou checks.
koowee checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
ToeBone checks.
JesusLovesYou checks.
koowee bets [$0.50].
ToeBone calls [$0.50].
JesusLovesYou calls [$0.50].

** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]

ToeBone checks.
JesusLovesYou bets [$6].
koowee raises [$12].
ToeBone calls [$12].
JesusLovesYou raises [$19]. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE!!!
koowee is all-In [$3.10]
ToeBone calls [$13].

JesusLovesYou shows [ Kc, Ks ] three of a kind, kings.
koowee doesn't show [ Ac, Ad ] a pair of aces.
ToeBone doesn't show [ Kd, 7d ] two pairs, kings and sevens.
JesusLovesYou wins $19.45 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
JesusLovesYou wins $50.65 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.

What would you have done??
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 1:25pm   #4
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That flop play is such a beautiful example of three-way idiocy, sorry, I really don't mean to be rude. But 3 people with such strong hands slowplaying their monsters...oh please. Seriously, if you always played your big hands fast, you would make more $$ than with always slowplaying them. In this case, I am pretty sure you could have end up in a threeway AI on the turn.
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 2:20pm   #5
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If I were playing aginst you, I would have been very suspicious about your pre-flop raise, then checking the flop and calling min bet on the turn. That screams monster hand to me.

I think if you played it like a missed hand, or TPTK you would have got more out of it. But I can only say that with hindsight knowing what they were holding.
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 2:25pm   #6
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I really don't like the checking after the flop. You're giving any drawing hands free cards. If the flop comes up rainbow and spread, different matter, and you're probably safe slowplaying, but in both the examples you've posted the flop came up with two of the same suit. You're just asking to be beaten by a flush giving away free cards.

In your second example, one of the players could have been sitting there with QJs and you let them draw to a straight without a whimper. If that had happened, you'd be posting this as a bad beat It would have been, but you couldn't complain as you let it happen. I think in the second hand you're analysing it from the point of view that you know he had 2 pair and you regret not betting more. But without knowing what he has, a raise of your bet could just mean he hit whatever it was he was drawing to. A min raise could have been hoping for a re-raise, or at least both to call. You'd all been showing no strength till then, so if he did hit a straight, he'd probably only raise an amount he hoped would be called. If it panned out that he went all-in after your re-raise, would you have called? You've said he probably would have, but you're only wishing that because you know he only had 2 pair. Without knowing what he had, would you have been thinking straight if he went all in? Hindsight is 20-20 as they say, and you should try to analyse your play without thinking about the results.

Terrible play by the guy with AA btw His passive play cost him a lot more at the end, and is a classic example of how not to play AA

Sometimes in this situation you may take down the pot after the flop with even a probe size bet, especially if you have a conservative table image, but that's better than losing your whole stack after the river when they've hit something stronger than your set. What table image do you try to establish btw? That would affect how I'd play it. If you're aggresive, you're much more likely to be called betting after the flop and I'd definately take that option. My advice is just to be wary of slowplaying a hand which is strong, but susceptible to being outdrawn. Slowplay when you flop a monster like a full house or nut flush.
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Old Apr 03, 2006, 3:17pm   #7
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Sorry I forgot to say that I hd a very good read on the players in the sense that if I p;layed weak and threw a big bet out on river they would call me.. Like I had AK a few hands back. AK8105 I bet big at end, guy flips 109, I flip AK..... if it works why fix it... yeah I no I could have been out drawn, but against these people I had to gamble. Like I spent 4 hours on 1 table and ot $150 out of it. But it all came from around 5 hands like this.
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