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Old Jul 19, 2006, 11:42pm   #11
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Also that guys an idiot for coming to the US. He wasn't breaking any laws before coming to the US.
Why is he? He had no reason to believe this would happen. He wasn't going to the US per ser, as going via the US to Costa Rica. He's been to the US many times before, and in fact only recently appear in something to "campaign to regulate - and legalise - internet gambling in the country". And no such thing as someone breaking a law because he decided to go to a country (not counting immigration one). One have either broken a law, or haven't.
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Old Jul 19, 2006, 11:53pm   #12
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RICO statutes in the US. His company engaged in taking sportsbets over the phone and across state lines from within the US. Racketteering and fraud. That's a no-no. 20 fellony charges.
Do you know what those 20 charges are? This still doesn't make sense to me. What fraud are they supposed to have commited?
Find it.

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/press_...rts_indict.pdf

I'm "impressed" that one count of charge to the company is tax evasion. "The DoJ also says BetonSports owes taxes on $3.3bn on bets taken from US punters. It wants $4.5bn and various properties." Anyone want to care to point out to them that the US refused to accept taxes from compaines when it was offered to them.
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Old Jul 20, 2006, 2:04am   #13
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I may have been off topic a little bit, but I have yet to have explained to me what, if anything, keeps online poker rooms honest. I will never believe that there isn't a "preferred player" at any cardroom that has access to knowing everyone's hole cards in any game that player plays. (a high-level manager or owner, for instance). I never play slot machines or video poker because any game run by a CPU cannot be trusted. Then we have online poker. It would be very easy for an "official" cheat to never be detected.

Yeah I know this had nothing to do with the arrest of the man in question but the subject was close enough. The guy is involved in transfering U.S. currency with no concern whatsoever with U.S. tax laws. I fill out tax forms at casinos with big wins but never online. That is a symptom of the mindset of those running the online poker world perhaps, and hence my crazy logic.
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Old Jul 20, 2006, 2:22am   #14
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I may have been off topic a little bit, but I have yet to have explained to me what, if anything, keeps online poker rooms honest. I will never believe that there isn't a "preferred player" at any cardroom that has access to knowing everyone's hole cards in any game that player plays. (a high-level manager or owner, for instance). I never play slot machines or video poker because any game run by a CPU cannot be trusted. Then we have online poker. It would be very easy for an "official" cheat to never be detected.

Yeah I know this had nothing to do with the arrest of the man in question but the subject was close enough. The guy is involved in transfering U.S. currency with no concern whatsoever with U.S. tax laws. I fill out tax forms at casinos with big wins but never online. That is a symptom of the mindset of those running the online poker world perhaps, and hence my crazy logic.
A little off topic? Sorry, but dude was charged as part of a long sting operation into illegal sports betting. Has nothing to do with online poker, HR4411 or whatever. Total paranoid non-sequitor red herring bs.

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's bound to happen... eventually) but their owner has been charged/convicted for illegal book-making offenses previously. The CEO is guilty for being part of the company (no previous record that I've heard of) and all those who did things for the company in the states are now being charged. Nothing relating to online poker, all RICO violations.

But it's okay - I typed this on a computer, so you shouldn't trust it.
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Old Jul 20, 2006, 2:38am   #15
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I may have been off topic a little bit, but I have yet to have explained to me what, if anything, keeps online poker rooms honest. I will never believe that there isn't a "preferred player" at any cardroom that has access to knowing everyone's hole cards in any game that player plays. (a high-level manager or owner, for instance). I never play slot machines or video poker because any game run by a CPU cannot be trusted. Then we have online poker. It would be very easy for an "official" cheat to never be detected.
Rubbish in, rubbish out sure. Somewhere along the line of CPU makers, its QA, ..., programmers, THEIR QA, ... technical support, ... you don't trust. Now why do you trust any of playing cards maker, its distributor, ...., casino security, dealer, ... any better?

If you're so paranoid, go inside your house / flat, lock the door, and close the window, and stay there and not do anything or talk to anyone.

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Yeah I know this had nothing to do with the arrest of the man in question but the subject was close enough. The guy is involved in transfering U.S. currency with no concern whatsoever with U.S. tax laws. I fill out tax forms at casinos with big wins but never online. That is a symptom of the mindset of those running the online poker world perhaps, and hence my crazy logic.
No regard to U.S. tax laws? US have been at various time offered tax by some of this compaines and refused to accept it.
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Dear Mr Evil,


Could it be i might found a picture of you ? :





If not, a TIN FOIL HAT could do the trick


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Well there is no reason to be d!cks about it. I guess my opinion isn't the "right one." Next time I'll be sure to consult the "experts" here.

I still haven't heard a legitimate argument to what keeps the poker rooms honest. "Nobody would play there if they weren't" just doesn't cut it. The last person to know about cheating is the one being cheated. I'm not even saying they are dishonest but some of you sure are quick to dismiss the possibility.

Now feel free to cut and paste my words and post some stupid picture next to them and demonstrate your level of maturity instead of just posting a legitimate answer. Sorry for speaking out of turn. I'll keep my comments to myself, as well as any advice that just may help some out there be better poker players and experience some of the modest success that I have had.

Have a nice day...
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Well there is no reason to be d!cks about it. I guess my opinion isn't the "right one." Next time I'll be sure to consult the "experts" here.

I still haven't heard a legitimate argument to what keeps the poker rooms honest. "Nobody would play there if they weren't" just doesn't cut it. The last person to know about cheating is the one being cheated. I'm not even saying they are dishonest but some of you sure are quick to dismiss the possibility.

Now feel free to cut and paste my words and post some stupid picture next to them and demonstrate your level of maturity instead of just posting a legitimate answer. Sorry for speaking out of turn. I'll keep my comments to myself, as well as any advice that just may help some out there be better poker players and experience some of the modest success that I have had.

Have a nice day...
You suggested that the arrest of the CEO of betonsports (for racketeering and fraud related to taking sports bets over state lines by phone) is evidence of how online poker isn't trustworthy/may not be trustworthy.

If your opinion is that the sites are rigged, they use bots or shills who are assisted by the house, or whatever form of corruption you happen to think they employ, then that's your opinion. I don't necessarily dismiss it as totally unreasonable to think that. However, when you come on here and make a totally ridiculous non-sequitor like "the CEO of this sportsbook was arrested for fraud... hence, online poker (or video poker in a casino, since it's done by machine) is unreliable/corrupt or otherwise lacking in integrity, you had better expect that I and others will come on the thread and point out what's wrong with the logic. To me, it's no different than when someone makes an incorrect assessment of an EV calculation because their logic is flawed. You didn't state an opinion, you attempted to draw a logical connection - this connection is weak and/or non-existant.

As far as I'm concerned, if you think that online poker sites aren't honest, then I'd actually be more willing to hear argument about that (I'm sure we can't dismiss everything out of hand), than an argument that suggests a sportsbook operator being arrested for RICO violations is somehow evidence of the dishonesty/rigging going on in online poker. I hope you've passed this idea along to the DoJ, because they've been trying to get people to make that connection for them; even the timing of this arrest may have been intentional and for this purpose (the CEO travelled often with stopovers in the US, after all).

Sorry about the long sentences.
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Thanks TWLLM,
i didn't have the patience to put it like that

Mr Evil, Maybe this link will help ?

http://www.pokertips.org/weekly.shuf...ves/2006-05-21


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