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Old Aug 23, 2006, 12:03am   #1
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PokerStars Game #6015235733: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2006/08/22 - 19:57:49 (ET)
Table 'Laurentia V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: 74 Heath ($2 in chips)
Seat 2: buzzard1881 ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 3: BeanyM ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: JRP063 ($2.18 in chips)
Seat 5: mla-titan ($10.42 in chips)
Seat 6: billybusboy ($4.42 in chips)
74 Heath: posts small blind $0.02
buzzard1881: posts big blind $0.05
BeanyM: posts big blind $0.05
JRP063: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to buzzard1881 [2c Kc]
BeanyM: checks
JRP063: raises $0.05 to $0.10
mla-titan: folds
billybusboy: folds
74 Heath: calls $0.08
buzzard1881: calls $0.05
BeanyM: calls $0.05
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5s Tc]
74 Heath: bets $0.15
buzzard1881: calls $0.15
BeanyM: folds
JRP063: raises $0.35 to $0.50
74 Heath: calls $0.35
Buzzard1881???

What would you do in this position, in a cash game, and in a tournament. I think I made the right play but I trust your posts more then myself
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Old Aug 23, 2006, 12:29am   #2
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I say now you call, its .35 into a 1.55 pot. However, I would probably not called the first post flop bet fearing the re-raise from the preflop aggressor. You have the odds to call his smallish raise but you have to be careful of figuring out your odds when you are not last to act and you think someone might re-raise. If he was smart he would have raised more to give bad odds to draws on a draw heavy board. My 0.02.
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Old Aug 23, 2006, 2:38am   #3
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Push.
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Old Aug 23, 2006, 3:28am   #4
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Push? J has invested 1/4 of his chips already into the pot, raised preflop and reraised on the flop with 1 caller. In addition buzz has only 1 dollar to raise with. J definitly isn't going away.

If your going to get about 3-1 pot odds+ if you move and are called than pushing is a reasonable play. (too tired to calculate it myself). Although if your fairly certain you'll get paid off if you hit ur flush it may be better to just call. I'd call.
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Well if you get heads up against aces (even against the ace of clubs) you still have about 33% pot equity and you will get those odds with any call. If you hit a king it might be good and you have a backdoor str8 draw.

I think it's +EV to push.
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Old Aug 23, 2006, 4:53am   #6
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Well if you get heads up against aces (even against the ace of clubs) you still have about 33% pot equity and you will get those odds with any call. If you hit a king it might be good and you have a backdoor str8 draw.

I think it's +EV to push.
Thats exactly what I thought when I played it. I got one caller the other guy who invested 50 cents dropped out. I pulled a club on the turn and won a nice pot. He had pocket aces.

I thought that I should push, because if I give away 50 cents in a call, I only have 80 cents left and would be hard pressed to call anything on the turn. Would you approach this hand any differently in a tournament setting though? I mean if I lose my buy in at this cash game I can always rebuy, but is the philosophy going to be different in the tournament setting?
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Old Aug 23, 2006, 1:14pm   #7
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Would you approach this hand any differently in a tournament setting though? I mean if I lose my buy in at this cash game I can always rebuy, but is the philosophy going to be different in the tournament setting?

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On the turn your 4-1 to hit. Your getting offered 4.57-1 in pure pot odds, 35 cents to a pot of 160. For simplicity we'll assume that only JR will go the distance and the other guy will fold. Now your getting 7.4-1 in implied odds (.35 to win 260). If you do this 5 times, you'll lose $1.40 and win 2.60 once for a profit of $1.2 dollar, or 23 cents a time.

Now if you elect to push we'll go under the same assumption that only JR will call. Your a 2-1 to win the hand, you have to invest 1.35-2.60. If you do this 3 times you'll lose 2.70 and win 2.60, for a total lose of 10 cents or .3 a time.

Callign is clearly the better play.
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On the turn your 4-1 to hit. Your getting offered 4.57-1 in pure pot odds, 35 cents to a pot of 160. For simplicity we'll assume that only JR will go the distance and the other guy will fold. Now your getting 7.4-1 in implied odds (.35 to win 260). If you do this 5 times, you'll lose $1.40 and win 2.60 once for a profit of $1.2 dollar, or 23 cents a time.

Now if you elect to push we'll go under the same assumption that only JR will call. Your a 2-1 to win the hand, you have to invest 1.35-2.60. If you do this 3 times you'll lose 2.70 and win 2.60, for a total lose of 10 cents or .3 a time.

Callign is clearly the better play.
That is assuming you KNOW villain has aces. AJ, QQ, QJ, etc are basically a coinflip. With this much money in the pot a push is not a bad play. I don't mind a call either to lure the third player into putting another 35c in the pot to improve your pot odds.
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Old Aug 28, 2006, 9:00pm   #10
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That is assuming you KNOW villain has aces. AJ, QQ, QJ, etc are basically a coinflip. With this much money in the pot a push is not a bad play. I don't mind a call either to lure the third player into putting another 35c in the pot to improve your pot odds.
what if you miss the turn though?
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