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Old Aug 28, 2006, 6:19pm   #11
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I think a fold here is terrible given the circumstances of the hand. HU, after you have been loose HU and folding to reraises. He could have near nothing here.

What are you guys smoking?

You call the flop raise and check the turn?

Why?

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Old Aug 28, 2006, 6:28pm   #12
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Jimmy, in my opinion the important factor here is that I am playing HU vs a tight opponent who appears to just take advantage of the weak players at this level by milking his good hands, he/she was playing many tables at the time and the HU session had lasted 4 hands - previous to that I had been playing tight and if he/she had PAHUD which is likely he/she would know that.

Calling the flop raise is a nobrainer IMO - you have a flush draw and are getting 4-1. Checking the turn isn't a play I always make however with a weak draw (no overs) there isn't much point in firing out on the turn because it is unlikely that he will fold anything but a bluff or possibly a draw himself.
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Old Aug 28, 2006, 7:45pm   #13
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Uh, sorry. Misread the HH.

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Old Aug 28, 2006, 7:52pm   #14
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I like reaising the flop if he calls fire on the turn if he comes back over the top on the flop let it go. He comes over the top on the turn move AI.
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Old Aug 28, 2006, 11:48pm   #15
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I must admit I had never thought of checking the river - nice idea XA. Unfortunately I'm confused about the last part of your post; your saying that I should fold even though his play makes sense for a 5?
That's what I get for misreading the HH, I didn't realize you had the flush, just a pair of fours. I stand by the check play since you get him to bluff (and if he's a tight player than he would probably fold almost any hand that you can beat except a 5).

I would call the raise though, your hand as I finally realized what it was is too strong to fold here, but I wouldn't want to be put in a sticky situation by reraising.
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That's what I get for misreading the HH, I didn't realize you had the flush, just a pair of fours. I stand by the check play since you get him to bluff (and if he's a tight player than he would probably fold almost any hand that you can beat except a 5).

I would call the raise though, your hand as I finally realized what it was is too strong to fold here, but I wouldn't want to be put in a sticky situation by reraising.
Man, I'm glad you came back and said to call. Cause I was really perplexed how you wanted him to fold here.
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Old Aug 29, 2006, 1:08pm   #17
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You cannot fold that heads up for only $5 more. You should have put in a nice re-raise on the flop. A pair and a flush draw is a huge hand heads up. If he min raises you, you need to raise to about $14 to make him make a big decision. Most likely he would fold here and you scoop the pot and move on. But folding a flush (even though it is a low one) for $5 is just crazy.
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Old Aug 29, 2006, 2:53pm   #18
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I'm pretty much agreed that folding on the river is a mistake but reraising the flop I'm not sure about - my draw is weak and I only pick up a pair on the turn which doesn't neccessairly mean extra outs as they could be dead anyway. If this was a stronger draw - either a pair on the flop or over(s) as well I would have no problem reraising but I just don't like reraising on a 4high flush draw which could easily be drawing dead. Anyway I'm happy that folding on the river was a mistake so thanks for the input guys.
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Old Aug 29, 2006, 4:09pm   #19
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I'm pretty much agreed that folding on the river is a mistake but reraising the flop I'm not sure about - my draw is weak and I only pick up a pair on the turn which doesn't neccessairly mean extra outs as they could be dead anyway. If this was a stronger draw - either a pair on the flop or over(s) as well I would have no problem reraising but I just don't like reraising on a 4high flush draw which could easily be drawing dead. Anyway I'm happy that folding on the river was a mistake so thanks for the input guys.

There is no way to be drawing dead after the flop Ad 5d is close (all other hands you have at least 6 outs) but not dead. ALso when I am playing agaisnt a mutiTabler I like to give him tough choices on the flop. They mostly just want to cruise along picking up uncontested pots, take advantage of that.
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Old Aug 30, 2006, 10:54am   #20
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Thats a good point Acehole which I will certainly keep in mind while playing. Unfortunately from what I've seen the multitablers at the lower limits don't get involved in pots without decent hands. So when they catch one they normally play them to the felt - so I could easily be reraising into a relatively monster while drawing very thin, so raising here wouldn't be as successful as at higher stakes IMO.

By the way thanks for correcting me about drawing language - however I was only referring to the flush draw being dead but like you said I would normally have 6 outs.
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