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Old Sep 06, 2006, 6:39pm   #1
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Well I'm stil in the beginning stages of my poker carrier lol, but have read Harrington on Hold'em I&II and No limit Hold'em Theory and Practice by Slansky.
After comparing the starting hand requirements I am amazed to see how loose the requirements are that slansky recommends.
He says to limp in in EP with any Axs and SCs down to 54s... what the hell?!?!?
Can someone please help me out and clearify why he recommends such a loose play. I can understand it working if you're a good player post-flop but I'm sure for someone with limited experience this advice is not perticularly good or?
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Old Sep 06, 2006, 6:59pm   #2
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Umm, i think sklanskys book is for cash games, and harringtons is for tourneys.
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Old Sep 06, 2006, 7:05pm   #3
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I understand it pertains to both cash and tourney play but I think you are basically correct. I haven't read it yet.
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Harrington is a MTT book, if you have limited post flop skills what is the best way to build those skills? See Flops, get your self in tough situations, and see what comes out. You will lose money, but in the end you will be better for it. Playing low level NL/FL you can win with a basic TAG post flop play and a super tight per flop play, but you will never/very very slowly get any better.
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But he is saying you should "limp" in and see the flop not call a raise. You also have to consider his section on the fundamental therom, it basically say's to check/fold when you don't hit the flop and bet when you do.

So you would only be losing a BB by seeing a flop, it doesn't mean you have to play it out post flop.
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NL:TP is not a beginners book. If you're looking to that book for starting hand advice, you're not ready for most of the material in there. Its a book laregely based on implied odds and theory concepts. Stick to what Harrington reccomends untill you get a better grasp on the game.
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You also have to consider his section on the fundamental therom, it basically say's to check/fold when you don't hit the flop and bet when you do.


I never thought of that.
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Harrington's books mostly deal with situations in tournaments where the blinds are large compared to your stack or you have an 'M' of less than 20. Limping in EP with Axs, SCs, low PPs etc are bad plays in low 'M' situations.
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Harrington's books mostly deal with situations in tournaments where the blinds are large compared to your stack or you have an 'M' of less than 20. Limping in EP with Axs, SCs, low PPs etc are bad plays in low 'M' situations.
Sorry thats not quite right. Vol. II is about later stages of the tournament when the blinds are high, but Vol. I is about the early stages which should be comparable to the situation in a cash game.
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Ok, typically when an online tournament starts you have an 'M' of 50+ and if the table is looking reasonably passive preflop I will limp from EP with speculative hands in the hope of seeing a cheap flop and hitting it hard hard or having a good draw. However, in most cases players will be agressive from the off and so you will put yourself in a position of having to call raises OOP with speculative hands. In a freezeout tournament you have a limited number of chips and so to a certain extent the concept of implied odds does not apply as much as it does in a cash game whereby theoretically you can play an infinite number of hands.

By the third level of an online tournament if you still have the same starting stack your 'M' will typically be around 20. Players will be battling over the blinds which makes it even more difficult to see a cheap flop and so the tactic of limping with anything speculative from EP will just bleed chips away.
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