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Old Sep 07, 2006, 1:08am   #1
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Default Flopped a set multiway pot how much to bet?

When you flop a set and there is a multiway pot with a potential draw out there how much should you initially bet? Is it worth overbetting the pot to stop later callers getting good odds to draw or is just 2/3rd of the pot sufficient?

e.g. With all hand participants with around a full buy in bar loki and cougar who have about $5

rjsastro9999 Posted Small Blind $0.05
mikey76 Posted Big Blind $0.10
SloTypr48 Posted Initial Blind $0.10
Dealing Cards
You Were Dealt (2c, 2d)
bowbeepro Folds
zaq20111 Calls $0.10
SloTypr48 Checks
Loki22 Calls $0.10
ccallen Folds
cougar420 Calls $0.10
rjsastro9999 Calls $0.05
mikey76 Checks
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Dealing Flop (2s,3c,9h)
rjsastro9999 Checks
mikey76 ??????
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 1:12am   #2
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Tell us something about the players. If they are likely to bet, then I would go for the check raise, but if they just love to call, I would make a big bet.
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 1:25am   #3
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I feel pretty safe slowplaying this one on the flop. I see the small straight draw but I don't really fear it. I wait for either a bet to check/raise or a face card on the turn that somebody hopefully hit. Everyone always says not to slowplay sets because of the draws. When there are suited cards or big card draws I agree but you can't always be afraid of the monsters in the closet. A set is a big hand and I think you can lose alot of value by betting too big right away on a board like this.
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 1:45am   #4
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Tell us something about the players. If they are likely to bet, then I would go for the check raise, but if they just love to call, I would make a big bet.
Only really sat down at the table and I was multitabling so no real solid reads but I would definitely put them as more passive than aggressive (as most are down at this level apart from the ABSOLUTE maniacs). How big is big?
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 5:52am   #5
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Ok, I saw a suited flop, but I guess I saw wrong. Here I would make a 1/3 sized pot bet and hopefully someone comes along with high cards or someone has a 9. Since you don't really know any of the players, it's hard to make the correct bet here so I think that 1/3 will be good to feel out the rest of the hands and to try and build a pot.
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 6:41am   #6
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Tell us something about the players. If they are likely to bet, then I would go for the check raise, but if they just love to call, I would make a big bet.
I usually hate the flop c/r with a set, why would you do it here?
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 9:27am   #7
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I hate it too. By check raising here you are not getting much value. If he bets and I call and then check raise the turn, then there is a chance for me to get more value or to allow him to catch up to me so I can stack him.
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 10:50am   #8
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I normally don't like a check raise either A check raise always makes me super suspicious of a set in another player at this level. So normally I prefer to bet it out and try to look like I'm trying to represent top pair or something. However how much attention people at this level are even paying attention to betting pattern is debatable.

In the end I bet 2/3rd of the pot.

Dealing Flop (2s,3c,9h)
rjsastro9999 Checks
mikey76 Bets $0.40
zaq20111 Calls $0.40
cougar420 Leaves
SloTypr48 Calls $0.40
Loki22 Folds
rjsastro9999 Calls $0.40
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Dealing Turn (5d)
rjsastro9999 Checks
mikey76 ?????

Ok so A4 has got there but I thought I couldn't be too scared of that? And four CALLERS? Not one of them fancied a raise eh? What do you put them on and what to do next?
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 4:03pm   #9
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Preflop nobody raised. So I am elimiating all the premium hands, but at 10NL there's a ton of ATC (any two cards) play. That makes it real difficult to pin someone down, especially with few reads.

As each call goes on I would start placing them with hands more likely to fit the flop. To me the check-caller is probably on a draw (A4, 45?) or has a medium pair ( 55-88 ) or a pair of nines. He's the one I'm probably most worried about. The others, maybe ace-low/med or two face cards.

I think the story of the hand will really open up based on the turn if there was a strong bet placed by you. You are in bad position, that 5 represents some danger for you with hands that fit the play, and the pot has grown big (relative to the blinds), so I would be betting the pot minimum here and watching closely what happens.
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Old Sep 07, 2006, 7:23pm   #10
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check raise. the end.
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