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Old Dec 20, 2006, 1:53pm   #1
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I'm running up against a lot of opponents who will just call every bet that i make. It doesn't matter if I'm in or out of position. i'll make a hand like AK with a K43r board and bet it out. usually half to 2/3 the pot. all i get is calls. board doesn't pair, not straight or flush draws and the guy turns over K4. excellent call with my .80 raise preflop

just a minute ago, QQ in the hole, raise to .80 in SB. two calls. flop comes As4cAc and i lead out with $1. EP folds MP calls. thinking he was on a flush draw, i continued to bet expecting a raise either on the turn or the river if he had an A. i find that players at 10NL like to check the flop in some effort to conceal top pair or better. well he just calls me down to the river with the A he flopped. in these situtations, is it better to observe players who make plays like this and adjust my actions accordingly? you never know if he's some fool calling with 2nd pair or actually has you beat. and the disturbing thing is it's happening more and more. how do you know where you are unless you have the nuts?
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 2:19pm   #2
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 2:37pm   #3
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Don'T bluff , make bigger value bets.
but the fact is that i was behind and trying to bet to get information. i had no idea whether he had an A or a 4 or was on a flush draw. after the flat call on the turn with no other club, i figured my Q's were probably good.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 3:09pm   #4
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For the first hand I agree with spalding, if people keep calling your preflop raises with sh*t then make them pay for it - raise to $1 or $2 or whatever point the calling stations will start to tighten up a bit. It shouldn't take too long sitting at a table to see what sort of raises are getting two or three callers and which are being folded too.

Secondly, in my experience weak players love to call preflop raises with A-rag, so I would definately slow down if the board came AA. Perhaps you'll always lose a few chips here but hopefully knowing when to slow down will help in the long term. Of course this increases your chance of being bluffed and by no means am I adventing passive play but getting 2 calls to an 8x BB raise at $10NL I would definately put at least one of them on an A unless I had specific info or reads otherwise.
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 3:25pm   #5
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For the first hand I agree with spalding, if people keep calling your preflop raises with sh*t then make them pay for it - raise to $1 or $2 or whatever point the calling stations will start to tighten up a bit. It shouldn't take too long sitting at a table to see what sort of raises are getting two or three callers and which are being folded too.

Secondly, in my experience weak players love to call preflop raises with A-rag, so I would definately slow down if the board came AA. Perhaps you'll always lose a few chips here but hopefully knowing when to slow down will help in the long term. Of course this increases your chance of being bluffed and by no means am I adventing passive play but getting 2 calls to an 8x BB raise at $10NL I would definately put at least one of them on an A unless I had specific info or reads otherwise.
point taken. i know how hard it is to hit a pair on the flop so i think i was convincing myself that he didn't have the A. even donks can flop hands every now and then. guess i should have loked a little deeper and maybe given him credit. it's when there's no raise on any street that i think that maybe they're on draws. i mean if you flop trips and you think you're ahead of your opponent, then i can see flat calling in an effort not to scare him off, but damn, no raise on any street, even the river?
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Old Dec 20, 2006, 3:30pm   #6
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You have to learn to appreciate these players. You aren't going to win every hand you play, so just sit tight and wait for them to give their money to you.
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Old Dec 21, 2006, 8:29pm   #7
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Dont bet for information. Its the worst concept ever, invented by someone who was trying to look smart but obviously wasnt.
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Old Dec 21, 2006, 8:45pm   #8
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Dont bet for information. Its the worst concept ever, invented by someone who was trying to look smart but obviously wasnt.
I will from time to time re-raise preflop with a hand like JJ-QQ to try and get an idea where I stand. Gus, you think this is horrible?
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Old Dec 21, 2006, 8:55pm   #9
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When you're doing well in a tournament and a similar stack call your UTG AKs preflop raise with K6 from MP and call your pot size bet on a KQx 2-suited board with no flush draw, and then turn 2 pair, that's when it hurts!

No, I'm not being bitter at all.....
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Old Dec 22, 2006, 4:55am   #10
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I think whats horrible is that you do reraise QQ PF only from time to time
Everytime someone raises, you put them on AA or KK probably and reraise to check if youre right ? You only reraise AA KK frequently ?

10 10 JJ QQ AK are automatic reraises for me PF, except against the King of Nits.

Reraising JJ is not for info, its a value reraise.

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