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Old Dec 26, 2006, 5:53am   #1
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this one i need to know, i went to the casino played tight, and only won enough hands to break even. this lasted from 11:30 am till 5:30 pm yea, that long. at 5:30 i finally changed seats and started winning. but then quit at 6:00PM my cut off time. i only made 150.00 for the day.

how long should i go before changning seats. and should i just get up and walk away and miss a blind or 2? then come back?

or should i do a table change?

if i did not play real tight, i would have lost alot of money yesterday. from 11-5:30 i won 1 in 30 hands pretty bad ods. most of the losses were from playing the sb and bb

and a side note: i folded, and looked at the flop to the river, and if i stayed in on 90% of my folds i would have lost.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 6:41am   #2
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Just the other day at the casino this kid wanted to get off of the side of the table to sit at the corner. The old guy who then took his side seat had pocket kings, a flush and a straight, all for wins, in his first three hands. When the kid changed back to near his old seat (even sitting in the bb to do so), the guy formerly to his left was dealt pocket aces. He got up and left in disgust while we were all left shaking our heads.

The moral of the story? I don't have one. The odds should be the same for any seat in the house. Some think there is a mystical "hot seat" in any given poker room, and I guess with some analysis, that seat could be determined long after the fact. The most obvious reason to change seats or even tables would be to change your position relative to particular players or just to face some fresh faces (and hopefully less experienced than your current competition.) If making a change for change's sake will help you gain a fresh perspective then do it. You certainly should be watching the poker room for loose games and get into them. If you hear a lot of laughing and joking around or comeraderie at a table, get there ASAP! They will congratulate you for taking their money.

Also, you are right to take frequent breaks. Get up and stretch your legs, clear your head, get a bite to eat and don't worry about what you might have had if you kept playing. Sit back down and don't be impatient and do not post to get back in the game. Wait for the blinds to come back around and use that time to analyze your opponents behaviors without needing to worry about your own tells. If you ever see someone sit down and post when the blinds are almost to them, go after this player because they are clueless, impatient or both.

You mention that you would have lost on 90% of the hands you saw. It is not uncommon for players to spend hour after hour only playing those 10% that are winners, or even less. That involves lots of folding and boredom but you'll see your stack slowly grow. A player next to me the other day absolutely did not play anything worse than AT but really only pounded the big pairs aggresively. It was obvious to most of us but he was making a killing off of the fresh faces that came and went all day long. How he didn't play the occassional KTs is beyond me but he left with a whole bunch of chips, some of them mine.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 10:26am   #3
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When players you think are better than you have position on you. Try to get away from them or in a better position or even a better table.
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I second Ish. However, going on what Grinder said, the only reason to change seats is the people playing, not the cards being dealt to them. If you feel you can play the people better from a different position change when you can.
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Changing seats might be advantageous in a no-limit game to get position against an aggressive player, but in a limit game, it's just not a big deal. People who ask for seat changes are just more annoying than anything in fixed-limit games.
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Just the other day at the casino this kid wanted to get off of the side of the table to sit at the corner. The old guy who then took his side seat had pocket kings, a flush and a straight, all for wins, in his first three hands. When the kid changed back to near his old seat (even sitting in the bb to do so), the guy formerly to his left was dealt pocket aces. He got up and left in disgust while we were all left shaking our heads.

The moral of the story? I don't have one. The odds should be the same for any seat in the house. Some think there is a mystical "hot seat" in any given poker room, and I guess with some analysis, that seat could be determined long after the fact. The most obvious reason to change seats or even tables would be to change your position relative to particular players or just to face some fresh faces (and hopefully less experienced than your current competition.) If making a change for change's sake will help you gain a fresh perspective then do it. You certainly should be watching the poker room for loose games and get into them. If you hear a lot of laughing and joking around or comeraderie at a table, get there ASAP! They will congratulate you for taking their money.

Also, you are right to take frequent breaks. Get up and stretch your legs, clear your head, get a bite to eat and don't worry about what you might have had if you kept playing. Sit back down and don't be impatient and do not post to get back in the game. Wait for the blinds to come back around and use that time to analyze your opponents behaviors without needing to worry about your own tells. If you ever see someone sit down and post when the blinds are almost to them, go after this player because they are clueless, impatient or both.

You mention that you would have lost on 90% of the hands you saw. It is not uncommon for players to spend hour after hour only playing those 10% that are winners, or even less. That involves lots of folding and boredom but you'll see your stack slowly grow. A player next to me the other day absolutely did not play anything worse than AT but really only pounded the big pairs aggresively. It was obvious to most of us but he was making a killing off of the fresh faces that came and went all day long. How he didn't play the occassional KTs is beyond me but he left with a whole bunch of chips, some of them mine.
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Any Limit Holdem player who can play worth a damn should know that all those "hot seat, cold seat" concepts are completely pointless and do not dwell on them. They just worry about the cards that they are actually dealt and act accordingly.
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why are u stating that seats dont matter in a limit game??

Money always flows around the table clockwise, meaning the same direction the button goes. Thats true in FL too. And thats what seat selection is all about. U want to sit right after the weaker players, to be able to catch more of their "money-wave". when the weaker players in front of you get into a pot u should be more willing o get in with marginal cards also.

I absolutly dont know what this hot-seat thing is all about. Maybe u want to sit to the left of ppl who talk about that, lol.
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Old Dec 29, 2006, 10:08pm   #9
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why are u stating that seats dont matter in a limit game??

Money always flows around the table clockwise, meaning the same direction the button goes. Thats true in FL too. And thats what seat selection is all about. U want to sit right after the weaker players, to be able to catch more of their "money-wave". when the weaker players in front of you get into a pot u should be more willing o get in with marginal cards also.

I absolutly dont know what this hot-seat thing is all about. Maybe u want to sit to the left of ppl who talk about that, lol.
Seat selection is very important. Hot/seat, cold/seat is when a seat at a table has turned up a lot of good hands (aces, kings, or flushes, straights, and full houses) while a cold seat has not or has had big hands beaten. He was referring to there being a guy winning big time in a seat and considering moving there because that player was running good. That has nothing to do really with seat selection it has to do with superstition.
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Old Dec 31, 2006, 4:21am   #10
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for those who say seat selection is not inportant, i sat at my seat for 11 hours, won 1 to 2 hands per hour average. there is 10 seats to a table. i was sitting at seat 8 seat 1 2 and 3 were hitting all day. i joked about taking one of those seats when they left. but declined then as they became availible, only to regret it later. as those who took those seats won on average 1 to 400 per hour.

i finally bit my tougnue and moved from seat 8 to seat 5, and immedeatly won 4 of 7 hands. when i reached my 6PM cut off.

in my opinion to stay at a loosing seat for over 8 hours, is pretty stupid. the person who took my seat won 0 hands so my old seat was still cold.

yeah i know there will be days like this. but in my opinion if you sit at a table for 4 hours and you win less than 5 hands you should move seats, if your luck still is the same, then go home. or change tables.

this is in my opinion. and so far my bankroll as of now is 2300.00

tonight i will go and play again. and i take what i learn every time and use it.
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