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Old Feb 09, 2007, 1:26pm   #1
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Hi all,

I was at the casino for a full 11-hour session yesterday playing $2/$4 limit.

I knew that I should have been observing the table, trying to detecting patterns and styles, etc from other players. I did not know exactly *how* to go about doing this.

What is your observation routine? Is there an algorithm/flowchart? What exactly are you looking for?

Each time a hand is dealt, what do you tell yourself as the bets come to pick up on the right information?

Is there a mnemonic or filing system that you use as you see information to make it easy to remember? How do you organize your info?

Thanks all. Really looking forward to getting some discussion on this aspect of the game.
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Old Feb 09, 2007, 1:41pm   #2
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Start with the guy to your left. Then move to the guy on his left. Then the guy on your right, then the 3rd on the left, second on the right etc.

Also, if someone is clearly the table donk, focus on him first.
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I would think you'd want to focus on the guy to your right first.
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Old Feb 10, 2007, 11:43am   #4
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I haven't played at a casino and at the table i lose focus with my friends. Online I try to look how much they raise with big hands, small hands...how they bet draws, what their checks mean, what hands they showdown, etc. Try focusing on the players left and right immediately of you. Then spread outward. One question I would like to ask do you play online poker? If yes then Poker pro lab has got a calculator which provides you with key statistics such as pot odds, chances of winning and outs These will have the most impact. Otherwise, it comes with playing many, many hands. Someone else will chime in.
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Old Feb 10, 2007, 11:51pm   #5
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"One question I would like to ask do you play online poker? If yes then SPAM SPAM SPAM"
Thankyou, we value your input.

I tend to observe the players who are playing alot of pots and the players either side of me. You have poisition on the player to your right and the player on your left has position on you (most of the time) so its worth knowing how they play.
I also take note of the players who don't see many flops. You want a read on any loose aggressive players because they're more likely to be in a pot with you. And spotting the weakest players early is important because you can maximise the value of the hands you play against them.

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apart from the actual hands they show down, just count how often they play under the gun and how often they limp-this is a pretty good indicator of whether or not they're loose and whether or not they're passive.If they just sat down did they post a blind immediately=gambler rather than someone playing to win money.Are they watching the table or something else going on in the casino? if they're not watching the action you can be pretty sure also that they're a gambler and not a poker player.Do they look at their own cards before the action gets to them rather than looking at how others react to their cards=fish.
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If they just sat down did they post a blind immediately=gambler rather than someone playing to win money.
I've never played in a live cash game so perhaps I'm ignorant, but why would that make them a gambler (which you seem to be using derogatively) rather than a poker player? I would think that it saves the waiting time for the BB to hit you, especially if the only seat available is in late position.
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"...a gambler (which you seem to be using derogatively)" rather than a poker player?"
Gamblers aren't winners in the long run, gambling for the most part involves making the wrong decisions.

" I would think that it saves the waiting time for the BB to hit you especially if the only seat available is in late position."
They let you wait for the BB so you don't have to post twice, posting out of turn involves plaing a round without being on the button (which is the most profitable position) In addition it serves most players well to observe the table before playing and this time is a good opertunity to do that.

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Old Feb 13, 2007, 8:52am   #9
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It never ceases to amaze me that some people sit down and then immediately post the blind when the are utg! I mean how impatient can you be?

Posting the blind out of turn shows that they do not appreciate the value of one blind, and this often means that they do not pay attention to position, pot odds or bet sizes. They are often the type of player who will limp from early position with A-rag, chase draws for pot sized bets and min bet when they have TP or as a bluff on the river. All in all, a poor player. So this can be really useful information to pick up on.
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Ring game 101 - never post the blind out of turn.
Observe the table first or even just stare into space while you wait.

posting out of turn is EV- and costs you your BB often as yo are out of position!!!
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