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Old Feb 15, 2007, 8:59pm   #1
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Old Feb 15, 2007, 10:01pm   #2
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I'll take 100 BB stacks and AA any day against J9. If I think I am so out classed at a table by one player that I need to protect my BR by buying in for less I'll find a new table. Two thumbs down on this advice.
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Old Feb 16, 2007, 6:46am   #3
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Old Feb 16, 2007, 7:45am   #4
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LMAO,

joined in sep 06, first post in feb 07?

So basically, if you're completely outclassed by your opponents it's not worth playing 1/2 NL with a full buy-in. Therefore the only way to play the game and *reduce your variance* is to be shortstacked and jam preflop or on the flop with 1/3 of a buy-in.

I think if you're outclassed at the 1/2 tables you should move down in limits and learn to play post-flop. I'm no master but it doesn't take much to realise that you wont learn or improve your game playing the style suggested. I don't know how many players will take in rubish against a short stack's 6xBB raise when they've played tight the entire match.

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Old Feb 16, 2007, 8:35am   #5
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I think poor old Erik is getting a bum deal here.

This shortstack strategy is proposed by Ed Miller of 2+2 fame as the best way for new players to learn the game or to start out at a higher limit. It protects your bankroll and stops you being eaten alive by the deepstack sharks. So Erik is in good company.
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Surely someone needing to learn the game would be better off doing it at a $50 or $25 table than a $200 one. That's how it seems to me, anyway.
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I think this strategy would be better suited to live play because online 6xBB raise get alot of respect from tight players at the table i play at. In addition microstakes games aren't avaliable in casinos so a player without much money wanting to learn the game might want to try this strategy. If the smallest game is 1/2 then a player is going to need at least 1000 to start playing and so this idea makes sense for building a bankroll. I still doubt there is much to be learnt from playing this way.
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The best way to play against a LAG is to just call. Some are good enough to fold when they are re-raised and most are dumb enough to bet all 3 rounds if you don't fold. So wait for a hand and when it hits just call, and let them bet.

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This is essentially how Chris ferguson turned that $1 into $20,000 and this short stack style is being used reportedly at the higher buy in levels more and more.One gets a lot more action when one is a short stack and doubling and tribling up is much more common.It would make multi tabling much easier too;but if one goes to Erik's web page it looks like he's making only 2-3 BB/hour/table.When I tried this it was easier to make money;but one was missing out on all the profits from hitting great hands that could destack someone.
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