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Old Mar 26, 2007, 7:54am   #1
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PokerStars Game #9094726577: Tournament #46226104, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/26 - 03:44:32 (ET)
Table '46226104 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: insatiable36 (1610 in chips)
Seat 2: TomVal (1240 in chips)
Seat 3: Jimsterbubba (365 in chips)
Seat 4: allslicks (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: needle123 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: kronos9 (1550 in chips)
Seat 7: ardoise (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: fold_em18 (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: Maverickus30 (2945 in chips)
TomVal: posts small blind 10
Jimsterbubba: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insatiable36 [Kh Jc]
allslicks: raises 40 to 60
needle123: folds
kronos9: folds
ardoise: folds
fold_em18: calls 60
Maverickus30: calls 60
insatiable36: calls 60
TomVal: folds
TomVal is sitting out
Jimsterbubba: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [3c 9d Kd]
Jimsterbubba: checks
allslicks: bets 100
fold_em18: raises 220 to 320
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 8:03am   #2
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Pretty clear fold, surely?

(I would have folded preflop.)

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Old Mar 26, 2007, 9:10am   #3
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Easy fold. What are you hoping to see here, QQ raised by KT?
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 10:04am   #4
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the pre flop call is fine

fold the flop, but i think u are actually ahead a lot more times than people think here
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 10:33am   #5
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Easy fold. What are you hoping to see here, QQ raised by KT?
What about JJ and K8
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PokerStars Game #9094726577: Tournament #46226104, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/26 - 03:44:32 (ET)
Table '46226104 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: insatiable36 (1610 in chips)
Seat 2: TomVal (1240 in chips)
Seat 3: Jimsterbubba (365 in chips)
Seat 4: allslicks (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: needle123 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: kronos9 (1550 in chips)
Seat 7: ardoise (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: fold_em18 (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: Maverickus30 (2945 in chips)
TomVal: posts small blind 10
Jimsterbubba: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insatiable36 [Kh Jc]
allslicks: raises 40 to 60
needle123: folds
kronos9: folds
ardoise: folds
fold_em18: calls 60
Maverickus30: calls 60
insatiable36: calls 60
TomVal: folds
TomVal is sitting out
Jimsterbubba: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [3c 9d Kd]
Jimsterbubba: checks
allslicks: bets 100
fold_em18: raises 220 to 320
Maverickus30: folds
insatiable36: folds
Jimsterbubba: folds
allslicks: raises 1060 to 1380 and is all-in
fold_em18: calls 1030 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3c 9d Kd] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [3c 9d Kd 5c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
allslicks: shows [Jd Js] (a pair of Jacks)
fold_em18: shows [8s Ks] (a pair of Kings)
fold_em18 collected 3010 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3010 | Rake 0
Board [3c 9d Kd 5c 4c]
Seat 1: insatiable36 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: TomVal (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Jimsterbubba (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: allslicks showed [Jd Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: needle123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kronos9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ardoise folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fold_em18 showed [8s Ks] and won (3010) with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: Maverickus30 folded on the Flop


The KID was right here, but I can't feel to bad about my move.
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 10:55am   #6
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lol donkaments...but yep, still a good fold
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 5:46pm   #7
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the pre flop call is fine

fold the flop, but i think u are actually ahead a lot more times than people think here
You call KJo preflop but fold to K93? What flops are you hoping for when you call with KJo? With an early raise and two callers this is a fold preflop.
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 6:05pm   #8
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I don't like KJo 4 ways, likely to be 5 ways with the SB or BB. You'll likely be put to a difficult decision later if you call, and may be pushing with few outs if you 3 bet here (I think you have to if you want to stay in the hand). I would fold preflop, because its an UTG raise, and I won't be comfortable, except if I flop 2 pair. If I was s00ted, I would've played it, though.
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 9:12pm   #9
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There is also the aspect of affordability in this situation. It is a tournament and you do have position. Calling this wouldn't be a complete donkey move if you would still be in good shape.

The fact that you have no idea where you stand is reason enough to lay it down but what is unknown is how these particular opponents have been playing before this hand.

At first I thought that if the guy had the nuts he wouldn't bet so strongly so maybe he is protecting a weaker hand than he would like. Of course this kind of wishful thinking is my biggest weakness. He is facing a raise and so may be going for maximum value.

Even if you hold AK the guy could have flopped two pair. This is the kind of hand that they mean when they say you have to be lucky in tournaments. I personally would make the call but if playing truly conservative it is a laydown.
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Old Mar 26, 2007, 10:03pm   #10
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What flops are you hoping for when you call with KJo?
Not to say that I disagree with this kind of thinking or that I wouldn't fold every street, but TPMK is decent HU with position. Bet and a raise in front of you, not as much.
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