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Old Apr 17, 2007, 1:53pm   #1
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I'm a cash game player on Bodog. currently at 10NL with a $420 roll i built from $50 and climbing. Trying to sustain a roll to move up to 25NL. ($500?) I've read Little Green Book and want to continue with some good reading. I thought about LBB, but I skimmed through it one day and it was oddball stories about hands Gordon played in a casino. (If there's anymore good info in the book, don't shoot me, just what I skimmed) SSHE and HoH1 are touted very strongly around here so that's the direction I was leaning towards. Thoughts?
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HoH is more of a tourney book, although I suppose the advice in vol.1 does apply quite well to cash. Very useful book that helped me a lot. Never read SSHE so can't comment on that one.
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Old Apr 17, 2007, 2:40pm   #3
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Small Stakes Hold Em is about limit poker.

HoH Vol 1 is early stages tournament play, which are pretty much the same as most online NL cash games with 100BB max buy-in. Most of what he says is relevant to full ring cash games.
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Old Apr 17, 2007, 3:15pm   #4
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Small Stakes Hold Em is about limit poker.

HoH Vol 1 is early stages tournament play, which are pretty much the same as most online NL cash games with 100BB max buy-in. Most of what he says is relevant to full ring cash games.
yeah that's why i was considering it. Do you or anyone else think NLHE TAP would be over an intermidate players head that understands position and the other foundations? I want a book that will further me, not confuse me.
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Old Apr 17, 2007, 3:22pm   #5
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Tap is just awesome. I've just read it 2 weeks ago and it had some great chapters, things that i maybe read in other places but i always forgot to apply to my game.

Most of it is not that hard to understand. It's boring as hell,but if you take it one chapter at a time (5 pages..) it's easy to get him. However, you need some poker background, since many of the things mentioned have to be understood well and practiced just at the right moment.

I wouldnt say that it;s over ones head, for the most part.

When i read hoh 1 about 3 months ago i was yawning all day long. If you've been around here for a month or two you probably know 90% of what he's going to tell you in that book, and pretty much 50% of volume two.

Of all the books i'd read, TaP seems to be the best when it comes down to things that i can learn from it. It's not a basic book, so it wont tell you "raise with these hands in mp" but it will get you thinking about situations.
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Old Apr 17, 2007, 9:57pm   #6
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Tap is just awesome. I've just read it 2 weeks ago and it had some great chapters, things that i maybe read in other places but i always forgot to apply to my game.

Most of it is not that hard to understand. It's boring as hell,but if you take it one chapter at a time (5 pages..) it's easy to get him. However, you need some poker background, since many of the things mentioned have to be understood well and practiced just at the right moment.

I wouldnt say that it;s over ones head, for the most part.

When i read hoh 1 about 3 months ago i was yawning all day long. If you've been around here for a month or two you probably know 90% of what he's going to tell you in that book, and pretty much 50% of volume two.

Of all the books i'd read, TaP seems to be the best when it comes down to things that i can learn from it. It's not a basic book, so it wont tell you "raise with these hands in mp" but it will get you thinking about situations.
great, i think i'll check it out at borders before i buy it. i've been playing for probably ~2 years so i think the fundamental aspects i have down pretty well, just looking to open my game up more and become a better player. maybe it's me, but it seems kind of hard to find books that aren't geared towards tourneys and aren't the Fisher Price of Texas Hold Em books.
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but it seems kind of hard to find books that ... aren't the Fisher Price of Texas Hold Em books.
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There's a whole heap of literature out there, which basically says the same thing. Play less hands, play in position, don't slowplay.

Now that you've got the basics in place, TaP could be the book for you. However, don't try to read it all at once (as I did while on holiday with no access to poker) as it will make your brain bleed. Sklansky identifies some critical skills for NL, take them one at a time and work hard at improving that part of your game.

I'm currently working on pot control.
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i'm going to try to preview TAP before i buy it at borders. i did a little more in depth searching over at 2+2 and there were more than a few posters that said TAP wasn't all it's hyped up to be. a couple pages of concept, 46 pages of math and another concept to follow. i still want to check it out though. i hate complicated math, but usually, you benefit most from learning the harder aspects of any endeavor you choose.
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Maybe too late but i have both harrington on hold em and TaP not read TaP yet though. I seem at a similar position to you, bank roll of about 260 trying to get to 400 to move up to NL25 and Hoh helped me no end. Yes i had heard most of the concepts he teaches but i didn't think about some of the things he says. It is stuff that you probably have heard before but until i read it i didn't apply a lot of it to my game. Has helped me a lot and i really recommend it. TaP looks a fair bit more advanced but i intend to read it when i reach the bank roll for NL 25
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Maybe too late but i have both harrington on hold em and TaP not read TaP yet though. I seem at a similar position to you, bank roll of about 260 trying to get to 400 to move up to NL25 and Hoh helped me no end. Yes i had heard most of the concepts he teaches but i didn't think about some of the things he says. It is stuff that you probably have heard before but until i read it i didn't apply a lot of it to my game. Has helped me a lot and i really recommend it. TaP looks a fair bit more advanced but i intend to read it when i reach the bank roll for NL 25
i'll put HoH1 on the list, but i'm looking forward to 2+2's new book, Professional NLHE (think that's the title) and
Winning in Tough Hold 'em Games; Short-Handed and High-Stakes Concepts and Theory for Limit Hold 'em (copy and paste, too long to type) anyways, getting some sound responses over at 2+2
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