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Old Apr 22, 2007, 6:39pm   #1
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I'm a NLHE player and I've only ever played Omaha a coupla times, and thought I'd mess around in the micro stakes table to get used to the game and get the basics down.

Here's a hand from a session earlier, in which I got bashed in the chat for 'making a bad flop call'.

PokerStars Game #9552238942: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/04/22 - 13:55:23 (ET)
Table 'Saldanha' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: sangi ($4.03 in chips)
Seat 3: Johnjazz ($4.91 in chips)
Seat 4: niistäjä ($3.56 in chips)
Seat 5: daring ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 6: 2HotCrawford ($3.29 in chips)
Johnjazz: posts small blind $0.01
niistäjä: posts big blind $0.02
MailmanMel: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnjazz [Th Td 3s 7h]
daring: calls $0.02
2HotCrawford: calls $0.02
sangi: folds
Johnjazz: calls $0.01
niistäjä: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c Ks Tc]
Johnjazz: bets $0.06
niistäjä: raises $0.12 to $0.18
daring: raises $0.50 to $0.68
2HotCrawford: folds
Johnjazz: calls $0.62
niistäjä: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [9c Ks Tc] [Ts]
Johnjazz: checks
niistäjä: checks
daring: bets $1.70 and is all-in
Johnjazz: calls $1.70
niistäjä: folds
*** RIVER *** [9c Ks Tc Ts] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Johnjazz: shows [Th Td 3s 7h] (four of a kind, Tens)
daring: mucks hand
Johnjazz collected $5.27 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.52 | Rake $0.25
Board [9c Ks Tc Ts 7c]
Seat 2: sangi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Johnjazz (small blind) showed [Th Td 3s 7h] and won ($5.27) with four of a kind, Tens
Seat 4: niistäjä (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: daring mucked [6c Jh Qc 8d]
Seat 6: 2HotCrawford folded on the Flop

Is the call after the raise and re-raise on the flop okay, or would the correct play be to lay it down? No reads on any players, only about 2 orbits into the session. The check on the turn was to induce a pot or push from either villain, and the smooth call was to encourage the guy behind me to call/raise.

It's pretty much the same way I'd play a flopped set/turned quads in hold 'em, but I know these are two very different games.

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Old Apr 22, 2007, 8:55pm   #2
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I'm also a holdem player who has just fooled around with omaha once in a while, but I think you can assume you're up against the straight here. Even though you hit almost the exact flop you wanted, it looks like you're drawing to the boat (it's a big draw, mind you 36% by my estimate) and you're possibly drawing almost dead to a pair of kings.

It probably isn't a terrible call, especially at these limits where people will do all sorts of foolish things, but you're not ahead of anything by much and you're probably behind.

I'd love to hear what a real omaha player has to say about this, though.

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Old Apr 23, 2007, 12:28am   #3
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Straights and flushes are much more prevelent in Omaha. So there is good reason to lay down the hand. Your TT is not a great starting hand and its probably better to let it go.

Good starting hands include AAKK AAQQ QJT9s etc - strength is given to double suited hands i.e. where you have 2 cards of one suit and 2 of another. Cards with a close range are good for straights but probably not worth calling a raise into. Remember thrips can be a hindrence as you only can play 2 of them - so let them go.

(I once had AAAA and played it like the stone cold nuts).

I'm only a beginner at Omaha as well and usually play it 8 or better or in a horse game so im sure someone will give you much better advice.
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Old Apr 23, 2007, 12:35am   #4
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Does the fact that it is 5 handed help the preflop call (for a penny)?

Oh, and rigbot is configured for omaha too, right? It might just be a downswing, but I'm only running at 55BB/100 for 50/100 PLO. Seems a little low, yes?

Also, are you still on schedule to bring the rigbot into the live games? It would be neat to get it for my cell.

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Old Apr 23, 2007, 1:56pm   #5
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I'm also a holdem player who has just fooled around with omaha once in a while, but I think you can assume you're up against the straight here. Even though you hit almost the exact flop you wanted, it looks like you're drawing to the boat (it's a big draw, mind you 36% by my estimate) and you're possibly drawing almost dead to a pair of kings.

It probably isn't a terrible call, especially at these limits where people will do all sorts of foolish things, but you're not ahead of anything by much and you're probably behind.

I'd love to hear what a real omaha player has to say about this, though.

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With those caveats the hand isn't a terrible play preflop. Generally though you always want more than a medium pair as your hand to work with.

Postflop though it does get sketchy. You're sitting on potential medium set, so any boat you get could well be dominated. Plus the flop cards and betting showed a probable straight made.

If it were me, I'd figure between those two I probably had one out to win the hand, the case 10.

But, as you noted, it's penny stakes were 99% of the players don't have a clue about what they are doing. So I'd approach it this way: If you move up stakes even to 25PL, throw away this hand preflop and don't give yourself the headache of playing it, and by no means call the flop bet and reraise with just middle set . You definitely hit a miracle card here to win it.
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